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我同意LZ的观点,方法固然重要,但是努力和坚持才是根本。
其实我本来准备一条一条的长篇大论的去和LZ打嘴仗的,(我都已经写了不少了),但是想想这样真的没有什么意义。
我保证,这个是我最后一次去争论方法学!
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实际上,千万确实是戳中了传统英语学习的短板,那种中**辅助和中介的方式的的确确害苦了很多人,中介费用很高的!!:-)。
这也是为什么我在坚持使用ADSE的根本原因。学习哪国语言就用那个国家native way,just so.
另外,我可能不像一些千万信徒那样,认为ADSE是什么捷径,英语学习本来就没有什么捷径,只有正确的征途而已。
千万无疑是一条!相对而言,传统学习方式则是弯路!! 绝对是!!
那些什么听清,词汇量,阅读,沟通,在我现在看来其实不重要,所以我也不用拿来说事,表达什么观点之类的。
我只简单的说我的学习经验,希望大家能够参考:
1、老郑早就说过了千万适合初中以上的学习。大家不要再纠结什么0基础了。对于0基础和儿童,千万不是最好的方法。
2、语音,至少英语,是声音,但更是韵律,需要我们去适应它,它不仅仅是单词的组合。甚至单词都不是第一位的,那个著名的男流行音乐歌唱家可以佐证。所以,1明白这个道理,2多练习。这个观点源于1阶段,但是有其它朋友的帮助和自己的升华。原先老郑只是说了一个方法但是没有说明原理。
3、词汇量,不等于你会多少个英文单词的中文意思。而是你能在合适的场景准确使用多少。真的和中文一毛钱关系都没有。用stage3的方式,也就是我目前的阶段,学过的单词,我确实是可以立即使用,甚至可以用他们来思考。当然,这些单 词很多可能我本来就会其中文意思,但是原先不会用,或者不地道,它们以前不属于我。
另外,词汇量本来就是不断积累的过程,区别更多的可能是用千万,3,4k的单词量就能够开始交流,但是传统方式8k还是哑巴。


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    I've had prepared to agure with LZ one by one,I already write a lot about
    that,but now I find that's nonsense .
    This is the last time of my arguring about the methodology with somebody,I promise!
    In fact, ADSE first directly point out the shortness of common English-studying,the Chinese-English way,It's the wrong way and mislead so many student in china.
    That's why I'm keep working hard in the ADSE way. I believe we should choose the native way which be used by the people in the English speaking countries,it's obviously!
    by the way, Now I don't think the ADSE is a short cut which could help us to learn English in a very fast, comfortable and painless way.There is no such way
    absolutely ! Damn it!
    The ADSE is a just direct way, not the detour like the common Chinese-English
    leaning method.
    I don't want to talk about the "listening ,Vocabulary,reading,
    speaking", for me those things are not so important to support my point this time.
    please allow me to brief my own experiences, just for consulting:
    1\ Doctor 郑 had told us that the ADSE just for people who had leand junior
    school English courses in the book long ago.it's no need to argure about
    whether ADSE is good for children or primary student. of course it's not!
    2\ English listening is more like rhythm than sound,people don't speak the
    words one by one ,they speak the whole sentence a time.
    We know this from Jay's songs that in many times rhythm important than clear words. so what we need to do is to get familiar with the rhytm through practice and practice,to know the theroy could help us short the process.
    In ADSE we just did in this way ,we have the idea how to do,but we don't understand the reason before.
    3\ Vocabulary ,we need to use them in certain circumstances, not just know
    their chinese parallel. there are little connections with Chinese.
    I'm currently stay in stage 3 for a month(it's a pain course trust me!), learn/re-learn the words use the ADSE way. it's useful for me,I could speak out some words and sentences that I leant some time when I need them,even without have a think .
    no matter which method you chosen,Vocabulary need much hard work to do,include reading, writting,reciting,erring and correction... the difference is the productivity and efficiency. You know it!


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          week 13 day 3 = day 87
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            week 13 day 3 = day 87


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                I have a persistent cough for over 2 weeks. keep quiet & claim could release the cough a little. so it's hard to read aloud.
                many of my co-workers and family members have cough too,so I thought this may have some connections with the the PM 2.5.
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                        week 14 day 2=day 93


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