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【翻译】知己知彼:外粉一篇很有才的BC分析

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一楼度娘和BD


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我看这篇的时候真的被惊到了,一种拨开迷雾的感觉,往日对BC各种桥段的不解也明了了。如果BJ真是这个思路,不得不说他们真是邪恶的天才,把这样的感情包装精美俘获了庞大粉丝。废话不说,正文开始:
这是一篇关于chuck 和 blair的分析,基本上是第二季到第四季的,我感觉到你们要开始吐槽我了,我接受。
有太多关于BC的部分我一直不能理解,但我希望我能理解,只因为我爱B这个角色,我不希望自己不能理解她的故事线,而且在最近的三集里(哪三集?)还有很多信息透露出来。
我不想炫耀(?),但我认为BC的故事分为三个层次:
1. 游戏(game):一集集摧毁着B和C
2. 标签(labels):这解释了为啥BC喜欢玩游戏,因为B的软弱(weakling)和C的懦弱(coward)
3. 自我迷恋和互相依附:从心理学角度分析了为什么B是软弱的,C是个懦夫



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1. 游戏
很显然BC之间有一场不断的战争,这是他们感情基础的一部分("You and I bonded over a mutual love of scheming"), 但同时也是他们不成功的原因。整个第二季充满了关于游戏啊,危险啊,赢啊,输啊这种对话。游戏+C和B的king 和queen的比喻,这简直涉及了史上最多的关于国际象棋和战争的陈词滥调 (译的不好,谅解)
很显然,游戏不是重点。第二季的阴谋诡计诱惑不过是CB联系彼此的感情并且让这份感情处于一种安全的状态的手段,他们谎称他们都愿意玩游戏,但其实他们是怕成为真正的情侣(more than frenimies)
BLAIR: If I say it then Chuck wins.
DAN: But... if you say it then you get him and you win.
BLAIR: No, I lose.
CHUCK: I thought you were ready to tell me how you really felt. Obviously it was just another one of your games.
BLAIR: Tell me if what you feel for me is real, or if it's just a game.
而第三季就是西洋棋暗喻,这一次BC试图成为一队,B在掌控局面,C不可信赖也不信赖B。这场游戏终于在酒店事件中达到巅峰,B保护了她的KING,C牺牲了他的QUEEN
CHUCK: In order to be a team, we have to focus our duplicity on others.
BLAIR: It's a queen's job to protect her king. Chuck should be thanking me for making his club possible, not treating me like some useless pawn.
JACK: I told Chuck I'd take either you or the hotel. He chose to give me you.
第四季,又是满满的涉及了很多有关王室的内容。C向B宣战,NS帮他们签了个和平条约(LZ对这个桥段简直不屑透了)。跟第二季一样,第四季又是俩人用战争的模式来压抑自己的感情,谁也不愿说他们还爱着对方。
CHUCK: This means war, Blair. Me versus you. No limits.
SERENA: We've witnessed the Waldorf-Bass wars firsthand. We know you both. You have nuclear capability.
CHUCK: Humphrey, the intricacies of our war games are too complex for a prole like you to fathom.
DOROTA: You aren't fighting with Mr. Chuck, so you fight with everyone else.
其实,游戏只是个象征,并不是他们感情的真正问题。我认为只有通过认识这部剧的线路和两人的label才能最好的认清BC的问题


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1. 标签
从GG捧出BC后,B软弱的标签就一直和她对C的感情联系起来。B很怕说出“I LOVE YOU”,C也一样
BLAIR: I won't let her be right about me, I will not be weak anymore... Chuck Bass, I love you.
第三季,B把自己卖给JACK换酒店是她到达软弱的巅峰,之后她对自己的羞愧使她重新考虑了自己究竟想要什么:
BLAIR: There is something someone could do to get back the Empire. And yes, it is terrible. But they'd be doing it out of love.
BLAIR: I would do anything for you, Chuck. But what if that's wrong? I never thought it was possible to love someone too much, but maybe it is. I don't like who I've become with you.
第四季,B疯狂的想使自己成为女强人。Powerful 是 weak的对立面,再一次,weak 永远跟C联系着:
BLAIR: What I want is to be a powerful woman. But whenever Chuck's around, I just feel like a weak little girl.
BLAIR: I thought that if I could be the Blair Waldorf that I want to be a little sooner, that maybe I could return to Chuck before he fell for someone else.
CHUCK: You don't have to be powerful on your own first. We can build our futures together.
CHUCK: Don't let anyone tell you you're not powerful. You're the most powerful woman I know.
BLAIR: It's taking all the power I have to walk away from you.
416这一集末尾,B成为女强人的那番言论让我们都很失望,事实是这总是跟她对C的感情联系起来,正是这感情让她脆弱,而并不是C本人。例如,409C派了个厨师给B以确保B关于女强人的计划顺利,但是B立刻放了鸽子,跑去告诉C她爱他。她对RAINA的嫉妒导致她在W负荷不了。看着她对被对C的感情占有操控真是悲哀无趣,就像看着她不断自我毁灭一样。
C的懦夫标签也一样重要,但那跟B没关系,而是跟他爹联系着。C说不出“I love you”等同与懦夫,但是在他爹挂的那一刻他的懦弱也达到巅峰。S3重现了C懦弱:他跑走了而不是守在BART身边,S4B告诉他别再当懦夫了,其实C试图逃离的不光是他在感情生活中犯下的错误。
悲哀的是,这部剧从未清晰体现chuck和blair的标签,所以我来给大家分析。


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1. 自我迷恋和互相依存
BLAIR: Only a masochist could ever love such a narcissist.
这句话是来自S2的,它很重要并且在GG迷中掀起轩然大波好一阵。我从来没怎么对心理学感兴趣过,每当我的老师提起弗洛伊德我就觉得无聊。我一直认为自恋不过是自我为中心的另一个形容词而已,我不知道自恋其实是精神病,如果严重的话还会导致人格失调(LZ同意并且乐了)
自恋的特征如下:
一般都是因为跟父母没有良好的沟通才建立起来
制造一种优越感的幻觉来建立一种高自尊的形象
展现出一种做作,傲慢,任性的行为来保护自己
无法信任别人
一会空虚一会兴奋
无法产生共鸣,无法感受他人所感
有一种宣誓主权的感觉,如果被夺走就大动肝火
行为举止倾向于混蛋,例如挑衅啊,虐待啊,暴力啊,报复啊
把愧疚,责备与责任推给他人
在感情中急切地需要肯定与确认以寻找理想中的伴侣
利用别人来达到目的
我认为C就是精神上的自恋者,而不仅仅是一个以自我为中心的人。C从来不去负责,他从来不信任最亲近的人,他极端自私,他出卖关爱他的人,时常他都不理解自己所做的事:他听到B没有睡jack时乐了,好像那才是个问题。他的所谓的道歉其实是把责任推给B("I'm sorry, but no one forced you to go up there") (317)基本上永远是他自己的感受:"You have no idea what I've been going through since that night."(421)
CHUCK: Because... I'm Chuck Bass.
CHUCK: No marketing. I say where and when, people show up.
CHUCK: Dear old Dad? Unfortunately all I know is what he didn't want. Which is me.
LILY: If we had stuck together on this, we would have won.
CHUCK: It looks like I did anyway.
LILY: You have to know everything, control everyone, trust no one.
LILY: It's no one's fault.
CHUCK: Yes it is. It's your fault. His blood's on your hands.
CHUCK: (on sleeping with Jenny) It was no one's fault. It was fate. Tragedy.
CHUCK: Jack set me up.
BLAIR: There's no one to blame but yourself. I believed in you. Your father believed in you. You are the only one who didn't.
CHUCK: You went up there on your own.
CHUCK: Look, you put family before all else. I can't do that. My father was never there for me. My mother abandoned and betrayed me. My uncle is my worst enemy!
RAINA: Is this what you do? Wonderful things for the people you care about before you turn on them?
CHUCK: I'm Chuck Bass, the love of her life. Anyone else is just a waste of time.
C从不为自己负责,这都有些滑稽了。他所做的“wonderful things”也很有意思,因为自恋者浮夸做作的一面经常通过浪漫的举动表现出来,这也就是为啥他的浪漫的帝国大厦金玉盟听上去更像是最后通牒:"If you're not there tomorrow at 7:01, I'm closing my heart to you forever."
心理学者认为,自恋是人们用来辩护自己的羞愧。C可能就是因为他杀了自己的母亲并得不到父亲的重视才养成了这样的性格。自恋其实就是更深层次的掩饰自己的无能。C跟B说他之所以放了她鸽子是因为他怕B看到真正的他。Jack跟C说:"Blair's seen the real you, now. It's over. She could never love that. No one could." 他捏造了个新身份“prince henry”而并不是面对错误,他侮辱了eva所以她就不能了解他的过去。C就是自我厌恶的懦夫因为他自恋情结,而他的标签深深地跟父亲联系着。
自恋的人一向是使用者和收取者,因为他们必须通过外物寻找一切,像是快乐,目标,自尊,肯定,兴奋,享受神马的。这些都来自于他们的所有物,包括爱人及孩子。在感情世界里,自恋者寻找一种“narcissistic supply”(不会翻),这是个学术用语,简单就是说他们寻找关注,肯定或任何能让他们满足的东西。只有一种人能提供这些,就是依赖助成者(codependent)。自恋者和依赖助成者最是相互吸引。


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依赖助成一直是个很宽泛的定义,基本指就是不健康的感情。依赖助成者基本上迷恋上瘾者,自恋者,和感情,最终成为救世主和殉道者的混合体。我不认为B是个全然的依赖助成者,不然的话她跟她妈和S的关系就会一团糟。但她确实有这方面的倾向, C和她的感情把她这一面带出来了
依赖助成者的特征如下:
试图去掌控事态环境和周围的人
体现一种不健康的倾向:过多的保护照顾
自我牺牲,致力于解决他人问题
试图在不安全和不值得信赖的人周围制造安全与值得信赖的环境
寻找他们能改变的人
寻找兴奋,以及各种戏剧化
试图把他们的伴侣浪漫化,传奇化,理想化
相信无条件的爱,爱的太猛以至于自己都痛苦
看不见界线与正常在感情中的重要性
感情对他们来说就是无休止的压力
上一季,对B粉来说最痛苦的莫过于眼看着eva和raina都离开了chuck,但她自己还是无法前进,走出这个对她如此恶劣的人的阴影。之所以自恋者与依赖助成者互相吸引就是因为只有后者才能长期忍受前者的各种虐待。所以说,其实B是C的教唆者,就像C说的:"We bring out the dark sides in each other."
BLAIR: I thought that if I could finally say it that everything would change, but he's just as selfish and soulless as ever. Only a masochist could ever love such a narcissist. Help me.
这句话太入景入情了:C爹刚死,N说B你真是温柔母性 ("I mean, worrying about him, offering him food, it's downright maternal") 我认为B依赖助成的一面在C爹死的那一刻开始驱使过度了。可能潜意识中,B还把这当成证明爱意的好时机。
而自恋者在感情中寻找的是确认与关注,他们总是觉得自己是特别的:
CHUCK: I'm not Chuck Bass without you.
BLAIR: Now, who wants to hear how I got the great Chuck Bass to tell me he loved me?
CHUCK: I'm Chuck Bass. And I told you I love you. You're saying I'm easier to win over than a bunch of pseudo-intellectual, homesick malcontents? You'd really insult me like this?
CHUCK: Next time you forget you're Blair Waldorf, remember: I'm Chuck Bass. And I love you.
B一直觉得自己改变了C,她还为此骄傲。而C对此嗤之以鼻:eva,用他的原话形容“纯粹完美”才是真正让他改变的人。
BLAIR: I know how hard it was to let your guard down. To let me in. But you've changed.
BLAIR: We're celebrating you. Opening your heart to your mother. And me. Being the woman who encouraged you to do it.
CHUCK: You just can't stand to see someone finally change me that wasn't you.
依赖助成者的问题就是,当他们的建议不被采纳时,他们控制欲强并且愤慨:
CHUCK: Did you do all this?
BLAIR: What? Throw you a brunch? Try to do something nice, supportive? Yes.
CHUCK: I don't need your help! Stop trying to play wife!
BLAIR: You have the liquor license! What does it matter who called who to get it?
CHUCK: This is not about last week. It's about you, Blair. It's the reason why I couldn't say "I love you." It's not a game. It's because I knew I couldn't trust you.
BLAIR: I did this because I love you.
JACK: He knew exactly which buttons to have me push. Said you wouldn’t be able to resist stepping in to save him behind his back.
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BLAIR: The worst thing you’ve ever done. The darkest thought you’ve ever had. I will stand by you through anything.
CHUCK: The worst thing I ever did. The darkest thought I ever had. You said you would stand by me through anything. This, Blair, is anything.
BLAIR: I never thought that the worst thing you would ever do would be to me!
BLAIR: There is something someone could do to get back the Empire. And yes, it is terrible. But they'd be doing it out of love.
BLAIR: I would do anything for you, Chuck, but what if that's wrong? I never thought it was possible to love someone too much, but maybe it is.
BLAIR: I wasn’t going to show up, I was resolved not to. Every bone try to slow me, every voice in my head screamed don’t. But I didn’t listen... In the end, love makes everything simple.
他们爱的太猛以至于自己都痛苦,很多这方面的书籍标题都是'When It Hurts Too Much to Let Go' o或者'When Love Hurts.'
BLAIR: I was the one who asked you to say it first... And when you didn't I wanted to die.
BLAIR: Chuck Bass, I love you. I love you so much it consumes me.
BLAIR: I've been acting like I'm okay, but I'm not. They say it's a broken heart, but I hurt in my whole body. What if I stay like this forever? What if I never get over Chuck?
BLAIR: It's taking all the power I have to walk away from you.
很多从这种依赖助成的情感中恢复的人都说自己情感上被摧毁了。他们把自己的伴侣形容成吸尘器或吸血鬼,吸干了他们的快乐,活力,自尊,能量。这就是B正在面临的,她这么形容她和C的感情:
BLAIR: Chuck and Blair. Blair and Chuck. Who else could love me after what I've become?
BLAIR: We're both sick and twisted. If you think about it, we're incredibly fortunate to have even found each other.
BLAIR: Louis made me happy. Happy. Do you know the last time I felt joy? Chuck had brought me into his darkness for so long, I had forgotten what that felt like.
BLAIR: I loved Chuck for so long and he's punished me for it. He ended up treating me like something he owned instead of something he earned. And it destroyed me.
C把自己在布鲁克林的豪华酒店命名为“the Charles”这自恋的荒唐了都!我认为这酒店就是C自恋的缩影。在S4最后一季,B在此当做人质,Russel差点要把B在那里点了。Blair waldorf,确实在Charles那毁了。
这两种人的感情很兴奋,依赖助成者提供对方narcissistic supply,自恋者提供对方喜欢的:戏剧性,改变他人,或者是毁了别人等等。他们的感情就是过山车,谷底中的谷底,巅峰中的巅峰。
CHUCK: You and I are magnetic. You can feel it. Our pull is as undeniable as ever.
CHUCK: No one could ever measure up to what we had.
CHUCK: I know you felt it.
BLAIR: We were caught up in a scheme. And it was role play.
CHUCK: It was real. I know you feel it right now.
CHUCK: I did the most dangerous thing I could when I said I love you. But it was worth it.... We're never going to be safe. So are you brave enough or aren't you?
BLAIR: What we have is a great love. It's complicated. Intense. All-consuming. No matter what we do and how much we fight, it'll always pull us in. What's mere happiness in the face of all that, right?
看上去他们对这种感情有瘾,报复性**啊,毁了彼此啊,金玉盟求婚啊(LZ要吐了,真的),这一刻他们跌入谷底,下一刻攀上高峰。BC恋充满了戏剧和危险,这一生他们可能都不能从别人身上找到这种感觉。但是第四季末,B想体验一些新的事物,她想吻D,想感受。但是她“没感觉到”,她躺了一周接受C是命中注定的,她告诉L他是她"the only man in my life, the only man that I want there, anyway." B没有忘了C,但她想忘。
B对BC感情上瘾最好的证据就在S4,L和L是怎么反衬了C:L等了她整晚,C等不了两分钟就闪了。420中,L不做元首选择B,C选了酒店弃了B,而且两个场景中B都穿着他们送的裙子!
这意味着即使L对B比C好那么多,即使L让她开心而C不能,即使L更诚实,更简单,是她从S3就想要的,即使L是B现实中的梦想, B还是要C,就在被他虐待没两天之后。这不浪漫,这太太太悲哀了。


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翻得不好的地方见谅
PS:佩服这个作者,跑去看那些在我看来根本无法忍受的台词


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我服了
话说对于自恋症和依赖助成症的症状描述是真的么……根本就是对着BC的个性下的药啊
C的自恋症没治了,我知道小学生要把东西都写上自己的名字来确认自己的存在,这货这方面一直没长大么?





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牛逼
我发现大部分dairers都和dair两人一样,文艺,油菜,见解独,见解毒


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大部分还是吻合的


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应该是,这就是名画的那个作者写的,应该靠谱。Only a masochist could ever love such a narcissist,这话不是随口说说


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这是名画的作者写的?这人很神的~


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