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如题,重读Silm+HoMe,专盯着Fingon/Maedhros感情线去了
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1楼2011-08-10 20:15回复
    Part I 未成曲调先有情
    Feanor演讲,Fingon同学初登场
    Galadriel...to rule there a realm at her own will. Of like mind with Galadriel was Fingon Fingolfin's son, being moved also by Fëanor’s words, though he loved him little
    小熊love狒狒little很正常,因为相比之下,小熊 love Maitimo more
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    Fëanor and his following were in the van, but the greater host came behind under Fingolfin; and he marched against his wisdom, because Fingon his son so urged him;
    Of those Fingon was the foremost...
    小熊你是有多担心你在前面的堂哥,你好纯朴,这种担心写满全身的感觉是多么可爱。
    but the vanguard of the Noldor were succoured by Fingon with the foremost of the host of Fingolfin, who coming up found a battle joined and their own kin falling, and rushed in before they knew rightly the cause of the quarrel
    天鹅港的悲剧“混帐他们在伤害我的Maitimo!”
    我没记错的话,是X文中小熊冲上去杀出一条血路的由来
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    Moreover Fingon and Turgon were bold and fiery of heart, and loath to abandon any task to which they had put their hands until the bitter end, if bitter it must be
    in other words,小熊既然追求堂哥,一定会追求到底绝对不会中途abandon
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    Maedhros the eldest of his sons, and on a time the friend of Fingon ere Morgoth's lies came between, spoke to Fëanor, saying: 'Now what ships and rowers will you spare to return, and whom shall they bear hither first? Fingon the valiant?'
    白菜公主问老爸,全书唯一MF倾向的一段
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    2楼2011-08-10 20:17
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      Part II 何辞向物开秦镜
      -白菜公主挂悬崖,一只小熊爬上来-
      Then Fingon the valiant, son of Fingolfin, resolved to heal the feud that divided the Noldor
      英雄的王子殿下为爱出走需要一个冠冕堂皇的理由:heal the feud that divided the Noldor家族大义放眼前,对你的爱在心间。
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      Long before, in the bliss of Valinor, before Melkor was unchained, or lies came between them, Fingon had been close in friendship with Maedhros
      你们很好,这个老托一再强调,我们都知道了。。。。
      in the bliss of Valinor,多么美好的初恋环境
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      and though he knew not yet that Maedhros had not forgotten him at the burning of the ships, the thought of their ancient friendship stung his heart.
      小熊救人时候完全不知道堂哥没有背叛自己家,那么,假如这还不是stung his heart且ancient的爱(有时也称Friendship,后面作者会不小心暴露自己同人男的本质),还能是什么。
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      Therefore he dared a deed which is Justly renowned among the feats of the princes of the Noldor: alone, and without the counsel of any, he set forth in search of Maedhros
      。。。并且滋生了后世很多YY小报
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      he took his harp and sang a song of Valinor that the Noldor made of old, before strife was born among the sons of Finwë; and his voice rang in the mournful hollows that had never heard before aught save cries of fear and woe.
      注意,这里,大英雄唱歌了,唱的是类似60年代的老歌(见某个桃子的漫);我们知道狒狒开始就不喜欢二粉三粉家,能一起唱歌的机会是不是私下约定的呢,小熊你又暴露了你们的地下恋情。
      Thus Fingon found what he sought. For suddenly above him far and faint his song was taken up, and a voice answering called to him.
      这句:Fingon found what he sought: his beloved
      这句脑补完毕。
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      提示:老托另一对唱歌救爱人,爱人用歌声应答的坎是Beren和Luthien
      还需要解释吗?
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      3楼2011-08-10 20:32
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        But Fingon climbed to the foot of the precipice...,and then could go no further; and he wept when he saw the cruel device of Morgoth.
        男儿有泪不轻弹。这里小熊哭了
        不内涵地说,这位英雄王子殿,妹妹死、老爸死的时候没哭,三粉家堂弟perish的时候没有任何表示。
        但是看到堂哥受到的折磨,他内牛满面。
        Maedhros therefore, being in anguish without hope, begged Fingon to shoot him with his bow; and Fingon strung an arrow, and bent his bow. And seeing no better hope he cried to Manwë, saying: 'O King to whom all birds are dear, speed now this feathered shaft, and recall some pity for the Noldor in their need!'
        堂哥只求速死,这里小熊必定依然含泪握弓(白菜的要求对冒险前来的小熊真的很残忍。
        其实小熊完全可以拒绝说,“我不想杀你,我会再想办法。”
        但是他很可能从来没有对自己心爱的堂哥说过一个“不”字,这个在以后依然会提到)。
        然后cried to Manwe的内容:recall some pity for the Noldor in their need
        Noldor in their need,是复数。
        而在这里的Noldor只有他们两个
        翻译成白话就是:满胃大王你瞎眼了!!快拯救我们这对王道CP!!!
        


        4楼2011-08-10 20:43
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          Now, even as Fingon bent his bow, there flew down from the high airs Thorondor, King of Eagles, mightiest of all birds that have ever been, whose outstretched wings spanned thirty fathoms; and staying Fingon's hand he took him up, and bore him to the face of the rock where Maedhros hung.
          “在喜鹊的帮助下,我们的仙女王子和爱人经过多年的分离,终于面对面地相会了”
          抱歉,我刚从鹊桥相会的片场回来。
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          But Fingon could not release the hell-wrought bond upon his wrist, nor sever it, nor draw it from the stone. Again therefore in his pain Maedhros begged that he would slay him; but Fingon cut off his hand above the wrist, and Thorondor bore them back to Mithrim.
          这里是白菜公主的第二次求死,推测小熊砍不动手铐是一个原因,白菜公主受到的(某种视觉意义上的)折磨,是另一个原因。
          这里小熊没有犹豫,没有疑惑,他怎么会杀他。
          (NC虐文去死。为虐而虐的小白文去死。)
          这一CP之所以成为长久传唱的CP,是因为CP的双方都在努力地自我拯救。
          直到无可挽回的那一天,他们会一直相爱。
          


          6楼2011-08-10 21:00
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            你这是红果果的嫉妒


            7楼2011-08-10 21:01
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              to 8L:感谢!(一直觉得老托常一笔带过的Fingon其实就是另一个英勇救夫的Luthien……)
              otz我又错了,逆CP了
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              There Maedhros in time was healed; for the fire of life was hot within him, and his strength was of the ancient world, such as those possessed who were nurtured in Valinor. His body recovered from his torment and became hale, but the shadow of his pain was in his heart; and he lived to wield his sword with left hand more deadly than his right had been.
              老托还是比较疼爱白菜公主的,原文的公主在小熊(他爸)的驻地恢复了神采和一切,小熊功不可没。
              他won great renown, 并且all the Noldor praised him
              你们一族还能再腐一点么。
              以下是HoMe中揭露教授同人男本质的一句
              Thus he rescued his friend of old from torment, and their love was renewed; and the hatred between the houses of Fingolfin and Feanor was assuaged
              (The War of the Jewels, Part 1, The Grey Annals)
              按前文所述,两家长子其实在任·何·时·刻·都·从·未·忘·记·的 (看似CJ的)"friendship", 以love的形式renew了;这才是上面那句的真正含义
              


              10楼2011-08-10 21:17
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                to 桃子: 你看,你懂的
                谢谢13L白蝶大人支持,大人的白菜公主最美了
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                For Maedhros begged forgiveness for the desertion in Araman; and he waived his claim to kingship over all the Noldor, saying to Fingolfin: 'If there lay no grievance between us, lord, still the kingship would rightly come to you, the eldest here of the house of Finwë, and not the least wise.'
                同Beren的Empty hand一样,这里的Maedhros也一手空空地对岳父大人(我又逆自己CP了!不过,必须看在老托笔下的女性角色都比较强势的份上《--我在说什么。总之你们懂的)交出了身上能拥有的一切:王权。
                并且这里开始有展现白菜公主作为diplomat的才能,这番话说得心情岳父大人舒畅。
                就像Thingol大王和Beren最后也能做朋友的份上,Lord二粉接过了白菜公主的馈赠。
                But to this his brothers did not all in their hearts agree.
                白菜公主的弟弟们的反应:美丽的大公主嫁出去的嫁妆这么丰盛(几乎是抄了狒狒家家底),弟弟们必须是不开心的;因为以后他们家的帅哥都会很难嫁了。
                这是被菜公主骂出去卡兰少爷拼命敛财的一个原因。


                14楼2011-08-10 21:47
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                  这里要感谢一下软体的神文,促使我去钻研了订婚。
                  ==============原文是这样的=====
                  In due time the betrothal was announced at a meeting of the two houses concerned, and the betrothed gave silver rings one to another. According to the laws of the Eldar this betrothal was bound then to stand for one year at least
                  ===============摘抄自LACE====================
                  现在我们知道为什么白菜公主会离开去往Himring了。他们遵守了这个法规.
                  维持至少一年的订婚关系,简单说来四个字:婚前分居。
                  现在我们也知道为什么(再)团结大会(Mereth Aderthad, the Feast of Reuniting,再次感谢软体的神翻译)上,处于最前线的公主会在二弟的陪同下前来,以及小熊和公主在这个大会上的关系是密不可分了。
                  At Mereth Aderthad many counsels were taken in good will, and oaths were sworn of league and friendship
                  这个欲盖弥彰的Friendship又来了。
                  反正白菜公主和小熊王子履行完了婚前的职责……下面要做的就是——
                  “同好自行想象”
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                  未完待续
                  


                  15楼2011-08-10 22:16
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                    对XD 那里我有印象,菜公主说了好多话
                    有空我整理一下Sil和HoME X的不同, 有些地方觉得小托删除得有点abrupt


                    23楼2011-08-12 22:40
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                      哈哈技术性歪楼最有爱了
                      这几天在宿舍没带书所以没法写这YY的东西
                      PS:怀念起BoLT中狒狒做宝钻的部分, 根本是一个优美到极致的技术宅啊捶地,删掉太可惜了
                      -24L:狒狒黑to Void+2
                      


                      26楼2011-08-12 23:37
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                        应技术歪楼党的提醒,补充以下sil中全部/部分删除段落
                        狒狒直接无视蛮多丝的审问
                        … Great must be the power and will of any who would lie to Mandos, or even refuse his questioning. But Fëanor had no thought of it. He was so besotted with the lies of Melkor that had taken root in his proud heart (though he did not yet clearly perceive their source) that he judged himself justified in all points, and other judgement he scorned.
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                        这里可以得出以下几点抽风结论:
                        1 面瘫神的提问是可以refuse的
                        2 能refuse或者当着烦啦的面撒谎的精灵,需要很强的精神力和意志力
                        3 狒狒拥有这种能力,但是他自己很可能没有清楚地意识到自己的这种能力
                        4 费诺里安不可说服(wtf)
                        以下,这部戏进展为三代家庭感情剧,炸
                        这里是虫子说的内胆尼尔删除Scene =w=
                        With him went his sons, and Finwe his father, who would not be parted from him, in fault or guiltless, and some others also of the Noldor. But Nerdanel would not go with him, and she asked leave to abide with Indis, whom she had ever esteemed, though this had been little to the liking of Feanor. Northward in Valinor, in the hills near to the halls of Mandos, Feanor and his sons made a strong place and a treasury at Formenos, and they laid in hoard a multitude of gems, and weapons also: they did not put aside the swords that Feanor had made.
                        费诺里安建造Formenos
                        蛮伪大王的信使
                        (PS:软体,我发现你文的剧情和逻辑也完全吻合=w=)
                        Therefore he sent a messenger to Formenos, saying: Fëanor son of Finwë, come and do not deny my bidding! In my love thou remainest and wilt be honoured in my hall.'
                        语气各种NB的发型45度向上的飞机信使
                        “圈圈圈烦啦顶个球”:按狒狒的脾气肯定给人下马威
                        (然后来了天才的给捞粉兜儿(wtf我穿越了开了蹦了)下面欢迎回到人流现场)
                        HoME X,LQ
                        大王死的全过程,叙述者长公主白菜美人(Maidros的地方我改成Maedhros了,便于理解)
                        [A段]But even as she mourned, there was heard the sound of feet hastening in the night. Then through the throng came the sons of Feanor, flying from the North, and they bore new tidings of evil. Maedhros spoke for them. 'Blood and darkness!' he cried. 'Finwe the king is slain, and the Silmarils are gone!' Then Feanor fell upon his face and lay as one dead, until the full tale was told.
                        'My lord,' said Maedhros to Manwe, 'it was the day of festival, but the king was heavy with grief at the departure of my father, a foreboding was on him. He would not go from the house. We were irked by the idleness and silence of the day, and we went riding towards the Green Hills. Our faces were northward, but suddenly we were aware that all was growing dim. The Light was failing. In dread we turned and rode back in haste, seeing great shadows rise up before us. But even as we drew near to Formenos the darkness came upon us; and in the midst was a blackness like a cloud that enveloped the house of Feanor.
                        'We heard the sound of great blows struck. Out of the cloud we saw a sudden flame of fire. And then there was one piercing cry. But when we urged on our horses they reared and cast us to the ground, and they fled away wild. We lay upon our faces without strength; for suddenly the cloud came on, and for a while we were blind. But it passed us by and moved away north at great speed. Melkor was there, we do not doubt. But not he alone! Some other power was with him, some huge evil: even as it passed it robbed us of all wit and will.
                        'Darkness and blood! When we could move again we came to the house. There we found the king slain at the door. His head was crushed as with a great mace of iron. We found no others: all had fled, and he had stood alone, defiant. That is plain; for his sword lay beside him, twisted and untempered as if by lightning-stroke. All the house was broken and ravaged. Naught is left. The treasuries are empty. The chamber of iron is torn apart. The Silmarils are taken!'
                        And after Fëanor cursing Melkor and he fled into the night,
                        [B段]After him Maedros and his brethren went in haste, dismayed, for they had not known that he was present when Maedros spoke; and now they feared that he might slay himself. All those who saw Fëanor's anguish grieved for him and forgave all his bitterness.
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                        洗白段落必须的啊!爷爷死掉七个王子下落不明是要闹怎样啊
                        [A段]可看出
                        1。白菜公主叙述能力很强
                        2。内心比起他爸来说更镇定
                        3。这里公主第一次被蘑菇丝远程攻击推倒在地:所以,公主没有前面说的,那种抵抗烦啦的能力
                        4。出了大事,公主第一个想到的是带着弟弟去找烦啦,这是和狒狒完全不同的思考回路
                        -〉年轻的白菜这时确实信仰烦啦的
                        [B段]可看出
                        1 两代的父子情深(可以为之死去的爱)
                        2 白菜这段叙述完成,都不知道狒狒在场
                        得出:那时年轻的白菜公主很可能是私下和烦啦神交,而狒狒并不知道,或者说并不关心。
                        ===============间歇性歪楼完毕=====
                        


                        32楼2011-08-13 16:55
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                          ==和平时期的夫妻驻地对比===
                          以下可以看作庆哥大王和露姐的Lord二粉和小熊(所以Turgon都有Nevrast,而大王子fingon就留在了家中,这都是因为老托一直在对应BL那对!太明显了!)
                          作者是这么说的:
                          Fingolfin was held overlord of all the Noldor, and Fingon after him, though their own realm was but the northern land of Hithlum; yet their people were the most hardy and valiant, most feared by the Orcs and most hated by Morgoth.
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                          各种高贵有木有!
                          The chief citadel of Maedhros was upon the Hill of Himring, the Ever-cold; and that was wide-shouldered, bare of trees, and flat upon its summit, surrounded by many lesser hills.
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                          各种冷艳有木有!
                          于是loli心的LZ最喜欢的高贵冷艳就是全Arda最和谐的CP有木有!
                          (你滚


                          34楼2011-08-13 17:24
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                            插入章,关于又一个情敌
                            小熊你要知道美丽的白菜公主对你的爱是多么坚定
                            看官知道Hithlum交权时期,阿旮旯头是绝对讨厌费诺里安的(因为猫里少爷的那段话)
                            然而,啊旮旯头的大哥粉耷拉头是怎么做的:
                            PS: 此君长得唇红齿白,又称好口牙,又称粉肉的!,又称No More the Voise(读作Nom the Wise)又称greatest Wander-King always with a realm and people behind him
                            同人男作者是这么写这位情敌大王的失败的:
                            Finrod Felagund lord of Nargothrond journeyed east of Sirion and went hunting with Maglor and Maedhros, sons of Fëanor. But he wearied of the chase
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                            拜托啊!粉肉的大王!白菜名花有主!Maglor HoMe里说他是已婚男啊!
                            你到底Hunt谁啊,于是你weary of the chase了啊
                            后文,这位受到打击的家伙跑到人类的聚居地夜半歌声
                            Then he went among the sleeping people, and sat beside their dying fire where none kept watch; and he took up a rude harp which Bëor had laid aside, and he played music upon it such as the ears of Men had not heard
                            故意等人家睡着了再唱,大哥你有没有公德啊
                            这直接证明了他失恋了,而且对他的神经影响很大。
                            这里也说明了悲催的粉肉的确实有努力学习唱歌,是不是因为听说了小熊唱歌救白菜的事迹而开始学习的呢
                            这个就留给大家想象了
                            


                            36楼2011-08-13 17:41
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                              ====插入段,我阿塔(你滚)、那个,小熊和本大王(滚)的纠结=====
                              1 按顺序,首先HoMe12,这个处[哦][啊]女守卫者突然无性繁殖了两个小孩, Ernis and Finbor。
                              (Finbor这名字槽点太多,大家看到只要微笑就好了)
                              In all the tables [Findecáno] is marked as having a wife, though she is not named; in the first, two children are named, Ernis and Finbor, Ernis subsequently becoming Erien
                              这个想法舍弃了。
                              2 其次发表版Silm:
                              his young son Ereinion (who was after named Gil-galad) he sent to the Havens.
                              本大王依然是无性繁殖的。
                              3 再次HoMe12
                              but in the final table they were struck out, with the note that Fingon 'had no child or wife
                              证明2的Sil版也是被舍弃的,因为作者同人男在最后关头依然要维护自己的王道。
                              小托也不得不认栽了。
                              ===〉Orodreth(Son of Angrod)是小星星和Finduilas的爸这个想法是作者的最终版本
                              当然最终与否,并不影响任何同人的自由发挥,因为Idea之所以成为Idea,就因为所有的idea都插着自由的翅膀(你滚啊
                              


                              53楼2011-08-22 18:57
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