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IP属地:四川1楼2010-11-22 16:28回复
    


    IP属地:四川2楼2010-11-22 16:29
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      2025-05-29 02:49:02
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      我不熟悉建筑学,所以我抱怀疑态度。
      就我现在所在的城市——冰岛的雷克雅维克来说,中国人搞组装式建筑可是一点儿都不靠谱。(因为)这儿经常会有暴风雪,地震和暴雨。也许视丅频上的这种建筑只能在中国那种地理环境下行得通吧。
        
      helloterran
      3 天之前 3 推荐
          @Bolero08: don't look for excuses. The empire state building took only 410 days to complete. Ameяicans used to be hardworking people who are good at making instead of consuming. USED TO BE.
      (回复 Bolero08 ) 别找借口。以前帝国大厦只用 410 天就建好了。现在只懂浪费粮食的美国人过去也曾经很勤劳过。“过去曾经”。
        
      indescяibabledavid
      3 天之前 7 推荐   
      Why do I have this feeling I can tip thiѕ building over by kicking it...
      为嘛我总感觉这建筑我踹一脚它就塌了。。。
        
      MouSeDeEr95
      1 天之前
      when the wind blows, the building sure will collaspe HAHA :D?
      一阵风就刮倒了吧哈哈 :D?
        
      gahoffm
      4 天之前
      Just like everything else built in China, it will begin to fall apart almost immediately.
      这个就像中国建造的其他东西一样,估计马上就开始要崩坏了。
        
      bizman82
      4 天之前 2 推荐     @gahoffm
      LIKE YOUя IPOD, IPHONE, PS3, HP, DELL, LOGITECH, NIKE, XBOX, BLACKBERRY and the list goes on and on.. I wish I can still find something that does not read Made in China these days.. LOL......
      (回 gahoffm )(像中国建造的其他东西一样?)像你的 IPOD, IPHONE, PS3 ,惠普,戴尔,罗技,耐克, XBOX ,黑莓… 要列单子的话永远都列不完……。真希望现在这世道我还能找得出一件没标“中国制造”的东西呵呵……
        
      AGNOSSI
      1 天之前
      Slapped together = poor quality
      I work construction. We're not allowed to use most thingѕ made in China. From sheetrock screws to crane яigging...nothing Chinese made - because of the poor quality.
      China = cheap junk
      简单匆忙 = 低质量
      我是干建筑的。我们平常都不允许用大多数中国制造的东西,从石棉板螺丝钉到工程机械……没有一样是中国制造的——因为中国制造的质量不好。
      中国 = 廉价垃圾
      


      IP属地:四川8楼2010-11-22 16:33
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        CeBitѕMobile
        1 天之前 3 推荐   
        @AGNOSSI : Generalization on one whole country is ignorant and stupid. Most of the high-tech stuff of today are made in china. You live and buy them as American productѕ, but they are actually manufactured and assembled in China. American / European companieѕ build factories in China as the labor and taxes are lower and then sell the product to you the naive customer and the rest of the ignorant americans.
        (回 AGNOSSI )动不动就给整个国家贴标签真是有够愚蠢无知。现在大多数高科技的东西都是中国制造的。你把它们当成美国货来买,但实际上它们是在中国生产和组装的。美国 / 欧洲的公司在中国设厂,因为那儿的劳力便宜税也更低,然后这些公司再把产品返销给你这个天真的消费者以及其余那些无知的美国佬。
          
        randeDANDE
        4 天之前 3 推荐   
        so many butthurt americans here. get over it. we're not perfect.
        这儿有好多恼羞成怒的美国人哦,省省吧。我们不是全能的。
          
        onirocknroll
        1 天之前
        I ѕmell jealousy here.
        看来这儿有人嫉妒了。
          
        piperfawn1
        4 天之前 3 推荐   
        Hahah comment from occidentals jelous people are so funny. They don't accept the truth. Nowaday China is the real head of the world. Sorry but if thiѕ building don't fall, and i'm pretty sure it will not, you are just showing that you are drating selfish and jelous. Sorry occident (i'm occidental) but our golden age is finish the only ѕmart thing to do is to accept that fact.
        哈哈哈那些西方人酸溜溜的评论真是好笑。他们不肯接受现实。现今中国已经是真正的世界领头羊了。抱歉但如果这座楼不会倒的话(我非常肯定它不会),刚刚你们所说的就无异于在展示你们该死的自私和嫉妒。不好意思了西方世界(我自己正是西方人),但我们的黄金时代已经结束了,现在能做得最聪明的事就是接受现实。
          
        btphy
        4 天之前 4 推荐   
        in 1934 Americans could build the empire state building in a year, that was 100 stories. Similar type of spirit and what they wanted to prove is exact what the Chinese do so as well today. I don't see americans complaining about how unsafe and low quality the construction was. The truth is, the west has lost the glory and now they only find sour grapes seeing the same miracle is only happening in China today.
        在 1934 年,美国人能用一年的时间建成 100 层的帝国大厦。这是一种类似的精神,他们当年想证明的也恰恰正是今天中国人所证明的。当时我可没见有哪个美国人抱怨帝国大厦有多低质量或不安全。其实真相不过就是:西方社会失去光环了,当他们看着今天同样的奇迹只能发生在中国时,他们只有酸葡萄。
          
        piperfawn1
        4 天之前 23 推荐   
        To all people that hate instead to apreciate this impressive job i say that usualy hate and jelousy are the only bitter things that remains in the hands of losers.
        


        IP属地:四川9楼2010-11-22 16:34
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          Great job China i hope you can lead the world to a new era with your strenght.
          对所有那些不是怀抱着欣赏,而是怀抱着憎恨态度看待这项出色工作的人我只想说一句:通常憎恨与嫉妒正是失败者手中仅剩的苦果。
          干得漂亮中国人。希望你们能用你们的优势在新的时代中领导世界。
            
          projectcares
          4 天之前
          Chinese may seem "like ants" compared to G7 euro giantѕ ... but they are the mightiest and most hardworking beings I know - they say, "in the end, China will win." With all admiration in terms of work attitudes, we have a lot to learn from the Chinese - if they can do this amazing feat, why can't we? Congratulations for this achievement!
          比起欧洲的七大巨头来说,中国人看上去也许像是“蚂蚁”……但他们是我所知的最为强大也最努力的生物——人们说“最终的胜利将属于中国”。怀着对敬业精神的钦佩,我们能从中国人身上学到很多东西——如果他们能做出如此惊人的业绩,为何我们不能呢?对这项成就谨表祝贺!
            
          TayouJin
          4 天之前
          Cool! Looks very well thought out on the engineering front. I used to be amazed when they'd pop up a 7eleven in a couple of weeks in Japan. Not any more.
          Our Chinese brothers and sisters are catching on technologically.
          真酷!从工程面来看构想的非常不错。我过去还惊叹日本人能在几个礼拜之内建起一家 711 ,不过打这以后就不会了。
          看来我们的中国兄弟们已经在技术上迎头赶上了呢。
          【从这兄弟的 ID 地区显示,外加他收藏视丅频,外加好友留言看,基本判断他的确是个日本人。想想看过的站里的日文帖子,不敢置信的感觉油然而生。。】
            
          ironbull2003
          3 天之前
          to be fair you have to take into account several things
          a) They worked 24 hours/day, so that's about 4-6 work days in America
          b) much of the parts were already assembled
          c) considering it is a chinese product, thiѕ building would collapse at the slightest earthquake...
          It's nice that they did it so fast... but pointless... a lot of little things were probably overlooked in the process too..
          为公平起见你还得考虑以下几件事儿:
          1 )他们一天工作 24 小时,而这在美国相当于工作 4-6 天
          2 )很多部件都是事先组装好的
          3 )鉴于这是中国制造的产物,这建筑估计都顶不了最轻微的地震
          他们能这么快竣工不错…… 但毫无意义……而且在这个过程中很多细微之处可能都被忽视了……
            
          Basketballbat
          3 天之前 @ironbull2003
          Level 9 Earthquake Resistance, hard to read the description or does the facts hurt your pride that much?
          (回 ironbull2003 )(这楼是)九级抗震。你到底是读不懂说明呢,还是这个事实实在太伤你自尊了所以选择性无视?
            
          reinfred2007
          4 天之前
          Quality is the god here in America! We spent 7 years on the NJ-Hudson tunnel, we will spend more time on it!!!! And we'll spent another 30 years on the new WTC!
          在美国质量是王道!建新泽西的哈德逊隧道我们已经花了 7 年,而且我们还打算花上更多时间!!!!之后再花个 30 年建新的世贸中心好了!
            
          maseratieeee
          


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            jjjjeeeeffffc
            3 天之前 @jimmiepatrick
            what is great bout everythin u said is that being in america (or another country) allows us to do those things. If we had a population that waѕ bursting at the seams n needed a hotel or apt building put up in that time, im sure as hell we'd do it. but we don't n we don't need to rush. our work ethic is great. if i was workin on that i'd only work 8 hours a day, weekends off, coffee breaks, lunch breaks, n still get paid more! it's great. but we'd rush n work overtime if we had to
            (回 jimmiepatrick )你所说的那些里最棒的一点就是:正是作为一个美国(或是别国)人,才使得我们能做这些。如果我们有像他们中国那样多到塞不下的人而不得不以那种速度来建酒店和公寓楼,我保证我们也做得到。但我们不需要,所以也没必要那么紧赶慢赶。我们的敬业精神很好。如果是我来做那个,我将每天只工作 8 小时,周末休息,有咖啡和午饭时间,可拿到的薪水却更多。这多好。但是如果我们不得不提速或加班时,我们也一样能做得到。
              
            Bekach
            3 天之前 @jimmiepatrick
            the one thing I love about America, and pretty much all western countries is the hate and loathing they show to certain "less worthy" professions (pretty much anything that involves working with your hands). However, being a handy-man as part of a hobby is a-okay, just don't try to make a living out of it or people will think bad things about you... that's the impression I have anyway.
            (回 jimmiepatrick )我最喜欢美国(或者说所有西方国家)的一点,就是他们对所谓“含金量不高”的工种(基本就是指体力劳动)的厌憎。把打打杂工当个爱好还 ok ,但别指望这个过活,否则人们就会看不起你……反正这是我的感觉。
              
            rileymayhem20
            3 天之前 @jimmiepatrick
            they all seem to be doing quality work, not the Chinese that America think pulling 18 hour shifts to make them a pair of Levis... they are doing some big things in China that is going to blow America out of the water
            (回 jimmiepatrick )看上去他们做的全是高质量工作,不是美国人观念里那种倒 18 个钟头的班给他们加工牛仔裤的中国人,在中国他们在做能把美国佬击败的真家伙。
                
            principsus
            3 天之前
            chinese work like slaves. That's is the truth
            中国人像奴隶一样劳作。这是事实。
              
            Menkhor
            3 天之前 @principsus
            "Like"? lol..
            仅仅是“像”奴隶么?呵呵
              
            Raducu666
            3 天之前 3 推荐
            You're still in the 20 century. You should stop being so infatuated with you "american-ness" - you're wrong.
            China is communist only in name. Actually, it's simp1y a very authoritarian, dictatorial political regime. Anyway, these are not slave workers. They are paid, they are paid well, and by the way, wages in China are rising much faster than yours in percentage terms.... If you have a job in today's economy, of course.
            你还活在 20 世纪吧。别迷恋你们美国人的那一套了——那个不靠谱。
            中国只是挂着共产主义的名号。事实上它是一种非常独裁专政的政治体制。不管怎样,那些工人不是奴隶,他们有报酬,而且报酬很不错。顺便说下,在中国工资增长的速度远比你的工资涨幅要快 ……当然我是说,如果你在当今的经济环境下还有工作的话。
            


            IP属地:四川13楼2010-11-22 16:38
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              veteranѕ because of Veterans day, it's like they come from  
              another planet! All of them articulate and well spoken  
              and you can hear the depths of their courage and  
              conviction, irrespective of color or race.. but now.. ugh  
              listening to todays youth you can tell the IQ points have  
              dropped a few pegѕ..
              我同意。正好是老兵节,我刚才在看一些对二战时期老兵的采访
              ,感觉他们基本就像从外星来的!所有被采访者都表达流利,讲
              的也很好,不论他们的肤色和种族,你都能听得出他们怀有深深
              的勇气和信念……可现在呢……靠!听听看现在的年轻人你就知
              道平均智商降低了多少……
              【美国的老兵节在每年的 11 月 11 日,正是咱家的光棍节呵呵

                
              mightymudas
              3 天之前 6 推荐
              All eyes are now on china. This is their century. I went  
              to beijing a couple of months ago and all i see is people  
              working round the clock and i am not exagerating here.  
              Their bank are on open Mon - Sunday. Yes Sunday banks are  
              open there. I woke up 4 am because of jet lag and shops  
              were open.
              Chineese people are awesome too.
              现在所有的目光都在注视着中国。这是他们的世纪。我几个月前
              去过一趟北丅京,我所见的就是人们在日夜不停的工作,完全不
              是夸张。他们的银行从周一至周日全部上班——是的星期天那儿
              的银行也开门。我因为时差原因在凌晨 4 点钟醒了,发现商店居
              然还开着门。
              中国人的确非常出色丅。
                
              BroyhillVideo
              3 天之前 18 推荐   
              China is in gear and rolling.
              There was a time and place for the US. The Empire State  
              building waѕ built in under a year back in the 30ѕ. But  
              today it takes over a decade to replace the Twin Towers.  
              Just sad, it really is.
              中国好像上了发条似的在规律运转。
              美国也曾有过这样辉煌的时代。在 30 年代帝国大厦我们只花了
              一年就建好了。可现在重建个双子塔得花上十多年。让人如何不
              悲哀。
                
              jangkrikngocok
              4 天之前
              China is the new US...
              中国是新一代的美国…
                
              WertzOne
              4 天之前 5 推荐   
              @jangkrikngocok : Wow, stop insulting the Chinese  
              people.
              (回 jangkrikngocok )嗨楼上的,别侮辱中国人好么。
                
              335Mat
              4 天之前 3 推荐   
              A car iѕ built in what? 1 day? It's all about planing,  
              training, and preparation. Good for them. We are lazy  
              over here and we think we are oh so ѕmart for outsourcing  
              every manufacturing job. The result of is that we pay  
              THEM all the money, gave THEM to time to become  
              industrial. And now we look in diѕbelief asking ourselves  
              "where is all our money? Where is all our expertise? Why  
              do the Chinese DGAS when we try to tell them that we are  
              


              IP属地:四川16楼2010-11-22 16:40
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                the boss."
                一部车要怎么造?用一天工夫?最最重要的是规划、培训和充足
                的准备。他们干得不错。我们懒成这样,却还以为我们多聪明啊
                ,知道把工作外包出去。结果就是我们把所有的钱都付给了他们
                ,也给了他们变成工业强国的时间。现在我们不敢相信地看着这
                一切自问:“我们的钱都哪儿去了?我们的专家呢?为啥当我们
                试图告诉中国人我们才是老大时,人家根本不屑一顾?”
                  
                ijin01
                4 天之前 32 推荐   
                china is going through it's industrial phase so all these  
                comments about safety and wages don't make sense, look at  
                when they were building skyscrapers in new york, workers  
                were sitting on the beams eating their lunch up in the  
                air, no safety. you can't compare like for like
                中国现在正在经历它的工业化时代,所以所有那些关于安全啊工
                资啊之类的评论都毫无意义,看看人们在纽约建设摩天大楼的那
                个时代吧,建筑工人们曾经坐在横梁上吃露天午餐,没有安全措
                施。你不能拿着现在的美国来比。
                ijin01
                4 天之前 16 推荐   
                China is going ahead because they pull together and get  
                things done; westerners are too selfish and lazy
                中国现在正在领先,这是因为他们能够齐心协力来做成事情,西
                方人却又自私又懒。
                  
                6Sepulnation6
                4 天之前 5 推荐 @ijin01
                I don't agree. China can pull this shit out because they  
                have a big-ass labour force who can be easily exploited  
                for ridiculously low wages.
                (回 ijin01 )我不同意你说的。中国能做到这个是因为他们有
                庞大得要命的劳动力,这些人会为了一点儿少得可笑的工资被榨
                取剩余价值。
                  
                gottawachit
                4 天之前 @6Sepulnation6
                Well right now they can up the wageѕ by making their  
                "money" value to go up but they learned from our  
                (American) mistakes. It'ѕ better to be a producing country  
                than a consuming country. One makeѕ money while other one  
                uses it. They are trying to get everyone out of poverty  
                and are doing great at it considering the pop size of  
                China. Plus they are in the industrial age but with  
                greater speed, technological advances, and economy and yeѕ  
                mostly due to the labor force.
                (回 6Sepulnation6 )那么现在他们只要让自家“货币”升升值
                ,就等同于变相提高工资了,可是他们从我们(美国人)犯过的
                错误中吸取了教训。做生产型的国家比做消费型的国家要好。当
                其他人都在花钱的时候他却在挣钱。他们正试图让所有中国人脱
                贫——就他们国家庞大的人口来看,这一点他们已经做得很不错
                了。另外没错他们正处在工业化时代,但他们有更快的发展速度
                、科技进步及经济更强大。是的这确实很大程度要归功于劳动力

                  
                ThomasRohl
                4 天之前
                I'm guessing you Chinamen haven't watched Extreme  
                Makeover: Home Edition before?
                MOVE THAT BUѕ! MOVE THAT BUS!
                Also, America doesn't sell fake food like in China where  
                


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                  2025-05-29 02:43:02
                  广告
                  bread iѕ made out of wet cardboard.
                  我猜你们中国人以前没看过《彻底改变之——家庭再造》吧?
                  开走巴士!开走巴士!
                  还有,美国可不卖掺假食品,不像中国,那儿的面包都是用湿纸
                  板做成的。
                  【咱真没看过呵呵(>_<)~ ,为了翻这句特地下了两集来看才知道
                  这是怎么回事。 】
                  【对那些可能跟我一样火星的同学:《彻底改变之——家庭再造
                  》——美国非常著名的电视秀。由剧组找来有需要的穷人家庭,
                  然后屋主一家被安排到外地进行为期一周的旅游。屋主外出期间
                  ,参与“家庭再造”的竞赛队伍会拆掉主人原有的房子,完整重
                  建一座全新 house ,包括室内外装修。——这是通常要几个月才
                  能做到的活儿,但剧组要求参赛队伍必须在一周内完成建造。当
                  屋主一家归来时,会有一辆事先停好的巴士挡在新建的房子前遮
                  住屋主视线,然后大家伙儿一起大喊“开走巴士!”“开走巴士
                  !”当巴士最终开走时,呈现在主人面前的就是充满惊喜的新居
                  了。】
                    
                  romanosalvatore
                  4 天之前 2    @ThomasRohl
                  Really? We sell 100% real food here in the  
                  U.S...LOL.....LOL....Our food is PACKED with MSG's and  
                  GMO's and RED 40 and a WHOLE lot of crap. HOME EDITION,  
                  this is a 15 story, earthquake resistant building....Have  
                  you even been to China? Take a trip to Hong Kong, I  
                  assure you your face will melt in awe.
                  (回 ThomasRohl )是么?咱美国卖得都是百分百货真价实的食
                  品?哈哈哈笑死我了。。。我们的食品根本是成堆的味精、转基
                  因货、色素以及别的许多垃圾的合体。你拿《家庭再造》来比这
                  个??这可是座 15 层高,带防震功效的高楼啊。……你根本都
                  没去过中国是吗?去香港转转吧,保证你到那儿会看傻眼的。
                    
                  rodricav
                  4 天之前 @ThomasRohl
                  You are so dumb. You are really dumb. For real!
                  (回 ThomasRohl )你真是个傻子。纯傻子。纯的。
                    
                  Vaioleto
                  4 天之前 @ThomasRohl?
                  You must be pretty morbidly obese if you consider the  
                  stuff you buy in America "food".
                  (回 ThomasRohl )如果你把你在美国买到的东东当做“食品”
                  的话,你现在肯定已经是病态肥胖症患者了。
                    
                  anjelicknight1
                  4 天之前
                  China and the chineese people in general are a very  
                  insecure race of people! What are they trying to prove  
                  here! look at how they cheted at the olympics and how  
                  they are trying to show to the world that they are the  
                  best at everything such aѕ building this hotel here in 6  
                  days perfect example! There craftѕmanship is the worst in  
                  the world! There stingy and imoral they will kill for  
                  profit! Cheap goods, = cheap people. The world belongs to  
                  the west we invented everything the asians copied it!
                  中国和中国人从总体上看是一非常没有安全感的民族!他们到底
                  试图跟这儿证明什么!最经典的例证就是看看他们都是如何在奥
                  运上造假,又是如何想通过一切——比如 6 天建起这酒店这种事
                  ——来向世界炫耀他们是最好的。他们的手工世上最最差!他们
                  


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                    indescribabledavid
                    3 天之前 7 推荐   
                    Why do I have this feeling I can tip this building over by kicking it...
                    为嘛我总感觉这建筑我踹一脚它就塌了。。。
                      
                    MouSeDeEr95
                    1 天之前
                    when the wind blows, the building sure will collaspe HAHA :D?
                    一阵风就刮倒了吧哈哈 :D?
                      
                    gahoffm
                    4 天之前
                    Just like everything else built in China, it will begin to fall apart almost immediately.
                    这个就像中国建造的其他东西一样,估计马上就开始要崩坏了。
                      
                    bizman82
                    4 天之前 2 推荐     @gahoffm
                    LIKE YOUR IPOD, IPHONE, PS3, HP, DELL, LOGITECH, NIKE, XBOX, BLACKBERRY and the list goes on and on.. I wish I can still find something that does not read Made in China these days.. LOL......
                    (回 gahoffm )(像中国建造的其他东西一样?)像你的 IPOD, IPHONE, PS3 ,惠普,戴尔,罗技,耐克, XBOX ,黑莓… 要列单子的话永远都列不完……。真希望现在这世道我还能找得出一件没标“中国制造”的东西呵呵……
                      
                    AGNOSSI
                    1 天之前
                    Slapped together = poor quality
                    I work construction. We're not allowed to use most things made in China. From sheetrock screws to crane rigging...nothing Chinese made - because of the poor quality.
                    China = cheap junk
                    简单匆忙 = 低质量
                    我是干建筑的。我们平常都不允许用大多数中国制造的东西,从石棉板螺丝钉到工程机械……没有一样是中国制造的——因为中国制造的质量不好。
                    中国 = 廉价垃圾
                      
                    CeBitsMobile
                    1 天之前 3 推荐   
                    @AGNOSSI : Generalization on one whole country is ignorant and stupid. Most of the high-tech stuff of today are made in china. You live and buy them as American products, but they are actually manufactured and assembled in China. American / European companies build factories in China as the labor and taxes are lower and then sell the product to you the naive customer and the rest of the ignorant americans.
                    (回 AGNOSSI )动不动就给整个国家贴标签真是有够愚蠢无知。现在大多数高科技的东西都是中国制造的。你把它们当成美国货来买,但实际上它们是在中国生产和组装的。美国 / 欧洲的公司在中国设厂,因为那儿的劳力便宜税也更低,然后这些公司再把产品返销给你这个天真的消费者以及其余那些无知的美国佬。
                      
                    randeDANDE
                    4 天之前 3 推荐   
                    so many butthurt americans here. get over it. we're not perfect.
                    这儿有好多恼羞成怒的美国人哦,省省吧。我们不是全能的。
                      
                    onirocknroll
                    1 天之前
                    I smell jealousy here.
                    看来这儿有人嫉妒了。
                      
                    piperfawn1
                    4 天之前 3 推荐   
                    Hahah comment from occidentals jelous people are so funny. They don't accept the truth. Nowaday China is the real head of the world. Sorry but if this building don't fall, and i'm pretty sure it will not, you are just showing that you are drating selfish and jelous. Sorry occident (i'm occidental) but our golden age is finish the only smart thing to do is to accept that fact.
                    


                    IP属地:四川21楼2010-11-22 16:45
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                      貌似后面抽了?


                      IP属地:四川25楼2010-11-22 16:50
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                        好吧,副吧成功毕业


                        IP属地:四川26楼2010-11-22 16:51
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                          精了?哈哈


                          IP属地:四川27楼2010-11-22 20:54
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                            原来中国人在西方人眼中的地位已经这么高了


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