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Duff: I knew now [after Mannheim, Germany,August 24, 1991] that Izzy was definitely going to quit, but nobody knew forsure when he would actually leave us. Izzy didn't walk away and force thecancellation of the Wembley show [August 31, 1991]. He stayed and played onelast gig to draw the curtains on this leg of the tour [Duff's autobiography,"It's So Easy", 2011, p. 194]
Duff:现在(曼海姆演唱会之后)我知道Izzy是一定会离开的,但是没人确定他什么时候会真正离开。Izzy并没有直接离开,没有让Wembley的演出取消。他留下了,演奏完了巡演的最后一场。[Duff's autobiography, "It's So Easy", 2011, p. 194]


47楼2017-06-23 12:38
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    Duff: I could see right there and then[when the Oslo gig in August, 1991, was cancelled because Axl was in France]that Izzy wasn't going to last. The cadence of his walk was different now: Isaw it clearly as the lurch of a bicycle with a misshapen wheel. His face wasdrawn, his eyes blank, his body language exhausted. He had made it with us,sober, touring. But he couldn't stand pissing off the fans and torturing the crew. He had to confront that reality sober. And at the same time he had to dealwith Slash, Matt, and me trying to bury our frustrations by obliteratingourselves with drunk and drugs. It was only a matter of time now [Duff'sautobiography, "It's So Easy", 2011, p. 191]
    Duff:那时候(1991年奥斯陆演唱会,因为Axl人在法国被取消了)我知道的一清二楚,Izzy不会再留在乐队里面了。他走路的节奏都不一样了:在我看来他走路的姿势就像一个轮胎变形、歪歪扭扭的自行车。他脸色憔悴,眼神空洞,整个人看起来精疲力尽。他还是跟我们一起坚持着,戒了毒,日复一日的巡演。但是他不能忍受我们激怒观众、折磨工作人员。他不得不清醒着面对这一切。而且与此同时他还得忍受Slash、Matt还有我持续不断地通过酒精和毒品来消除内心的沮丧的行为。[Duff's autobiography, "It's So Easy", 2011, p. 191]


    48楼2017-06-23 12:40
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      Slash: Izzy completed the tour, and I triedto talk him out of leaving a few times, but at the same time I couldn't blamehim at all. "Hey, man, I know it's been hard, but I think we can turn itaround," I remember telling him, "The shows are really great, man.The audiences are great, we're playing stadiums..." "I know," hesaid. "But, man, I can't...I just can't do it anymore." The way helooked at me at that moment said it all [Bozza, Anthony, & Slash (2007).Slash. Harper Entertainment: New York, p.344]
      Slash:Izzy最后完成了巡演,然后我几次试图劝说他留在乐队,但是劝说他的同时我也完全没法责怪他。“嘿,哥们,我知道这段时间很难熬,但是我觉得我们能挺过来的,”我记得我这么跟他说,“演出都很棒啊,哥们。观众们也很热情,我们在体育馆里演出……”“我知道,”他说,“但是我……我就是没法再这么继续下去了。”那时他看向我的眼神说明了一切。[Bozza, Anthony, & Slash (2007). Slash. Harper Entertainment:New York, p.344]


      49楼2017-06-23 12:41
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        Slash: [...] We just came to the conclusion that Izzy wasn't putting in the time we thought was necessary for the good of the band. It had been building up for a long time. And finally Izzy came out inthe open with me and Axl and said he didn't want to deal with the work that was involved. So we decided to work with someone else [...] I just can't understandhow he could let something like this fall apart. I mean the guy didn't want to tour or do videos; he hardly wanted to record. I just never thought he was one of those guys that this would happen with [Guitar World,February 1992]
        Slash:……我们就直接得出结论,Izzy没有在乐队中投入我们认为的必要时间,这种情绪是很长一段时间积累下来的。最后Izzy对我和Axl把话说明白了,他不想再花时间在乐队上了。所以我们决定另外找一个人合作。……我就是不明白,他怎么能让(GNR)这样的东西分崩离析。我是说,他不既不想巡演,也不想拍MV,他都不怎么想来录音了。我就是从来没想过这种事会发生在他身上。[Guitar World, February 1992]


        52楼2017-06-23 13:08
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          楼主发帖大喘气儿,看的我好紧张还有吗还有吗


          IP属地:广东来自Android客户端53楼2017-06-23 13:11
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            Axl: I'm no longer working with Izzy, and people have written about how that went down. [Axl laughs] They weren't around.They didn't see it. They didn't know. They didn't know how painful that experience was. They had no clue. But yet, I was just a dick. [Axl laughs] Ijust went off on Izzy. You know, he tried to talk to me nicely and l went off.That's not how it went down. It was funny: when Bruce Weber was taking thephotos of Stephanie and l for this article, that's when l got the call that Izzy was leaving the band. Bruce was taking photos and I was standing there crying. l was blown away. (...) Stephanie was helping to comfort me. We didn'tgo, "Well, let's hug and kiss for the photos." She was comforting me-- my friend of fifteen years was leaving [Interview Magazine talks to AxlRose, 1992]
            Axl:我不再和Izzy合作了,于是大家就开始写事情是怎么变糟的(笑)。他们没有身处其中,他们没有亲眼见过,他们什么都不知道。他们不知道这个过程有多痛苦。他们一点也不知道。但我就是个**(笑),我把气都撒在Izzy身上了。他试着要好好跟我谈谈,我却冲他大发脾气。事情不是这么变糟的。其实挺好玩的:当时Bruce Weber正在给我和Stephanie为采访文章拍照,就在这时有人打电话告诉我Izzy要离开乐队了。Bruce正在拍照,而我站在那里大哭。我完全被吓着了。……Stephanie试着安慰我。我们没有说:“来吧,我们来亲亲抱抱就为了拍个照。”她一直在安慰我——我十五年的朋友要离开了。[Interview Magazine talks to Axl Rose, 1992]


            54楼2017-06-23 13:12
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              Axl: On being questioned why Izzy left theband: To get a clear answer, you'd have to ask Izzy. My personal belief is thatIzzy never really wanted something this big. There were responsibilities thatIzzy didn't want to deal with. He didn't want to work at the standards thatSlash and I set for ourselves (...) He didn't want to do videos. He just wasn'tinto it. Getting Izzy to work on his own songs on this record was like pullingteeth. When Izzy had 'em on a four-track, they were done. I mean, I like tapeslike that, but we'd just get destroyed if we came out with a garage tape.People want a high-quality album. And it was really hard to get Izzy to dothat, even on his own material. Izzy's songs were on the record because Iwanted them on the record, not because Izzy gave a shit either way. If peoplethink I don't respect Izzy or acknowledge his talent, they're sadly mistaken.He was my friend. I haven't always been right. Sometimes I've been massivelywrong, and Izzy's been the one to help steer me back to the things that wereright. But I know that I wanted to get as big as we possibly could from DayOne, and that wasn't Izzy's intention at all. I think he's ready to do like anX-Pensive Winos (Keith Richards's band) thing. So maybe the world'll getanother really cool band. I know that I'll be trying to get an advance tape,just like everybody else [Axl Rose: The Rolling Stone Interview; Rolling Stone,April 1992]
              Axl被问到Izzy离开乐队的事:想要清楚的答案,你得去问Izzy。我个人的看法是Izzy从来没想要把乐队做得这么大。有一些责任是Izzy并不想承担的,他并不想像我和Slash一样对自己定下很高的标准。……他不想拍MV,他就是不想。让Izzy给专辑写歌简直就像拔牙一样困难。当Izzy录好一个四个音轨的歌之后,这歌就算完成了。我是说,我挺喜欢这种录音带的,但是如果我们的专辑里都是像车库乐队做出来的歌一样,我们就毁了,听众想要的是高质量的专辑。而这对Izzy来说太困难了,即使是他自己的歌也太困难了。Izzy的歌被收录在专辑里是因为我想要收在专辑里,而他自己一点都不在乎。如果人们觉得我不尊重Izzy,或者我没有意识到他的才华,那他们就可悲地大错特错了。他是我的朋友。我并不总是对的,有时候我会错得很离谱,而Izzy就是那个帮助我回到正轨的人。但我知道我从一开始想要的就是把乐队能做多大做多大,但这完全不是Izzy的野心。我觉得他已经准备搞一个X-Pensive Winos(Keith Richards的乐队)这种乐队了。所以也许世界上又会多一个很棒的乐队了。我知道我会努力做出一个很好的专辑的,就像其他人一样。[Axl Rose: The Rolling Stone Interview; Rolling Stone, April 1992]
              【Izzy后来还真的搞了JJH……


              56楼2017-06-23 13:19
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                Axl: We were filming 'Don't Cry,' and hehad to be there. Instead, he sent a really short, cold letter and didn't showup. We got this letter saying, "This changes, this changes, and maybe I'lltour in January." And they were ridiculous demands that weren't going tobe met. I talked to Izzy for four and a half hours on the phone. At somepoints, I was crying, and I was begging. I was doing everything I could to keephim in the band. There were stipulations, though. If he was going to do likethe old Izzy did, he wasn't going to make as much money. It was like"You're not giving an equal share." Slash and I were having to do toomuch work to keep the attention and the energy up in the crowd. You're on stage going, "This is really hard, and I'm into it and I'm doing it, but thatguy just gets to stand there" [Axl Rose: The Rolling Stone Interview;Rolling Stone, April 1992]
                Axl:我们当时在拍Don’t Cry的MV,他必须得在。然而他发来一封非常短的、冷冰冰的信,然后就不出现了。我们接到的这封信上说:“这个计划有变,那个计划有变,一月份我有可能会跟你们一块巡演。”而这些都是一些不可能满足的要求。我给Izzy打了四个半小时的电话,中间有几次我一边哭一边求他,竭尽全力让他留在乐队里。不过确实是有一些合同条款的,如果他还像以前那样想做什么做什么,他就没法拿到现在这么多钱了。而他觉得是“你没有公平分钱”。(在台上)Slash和我不得不做更多的努力来吸引观众的注意力和调动情绪,我的感觉是“这对我太难了,我全情投入在演出,但是这家伙却只是站在那儿。”[Axl Rose: The Rolling Stone Interview; Rolling Stone, April 1992]
                【不说别的Axl真的是个很drama的人…………一边哭一边求Izzy留下来这么狗血的事情都做得出来……


                57楼2017-06-23 13:22
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                  Axl: It was always kind of a triad betweenSlash, Izzy and me. And when Izzy wasn't so much being a part of that triad,Doug Goldstein, our manager, kind of took his place. As far as keeping Guns N'Roses going and figuring out what we're doing, Izzy really wasn't that muchinvolved anymore. He wrote songs, but those songs were on the record because Iwanted them on the record and because the band agreed to learn them and likedthem and we all worked on them. I really believed in Izzy. I was an Izzy fanfor 15 years and I wanted his songs to be a part of this project. But it waslike pulling teeth to make that happen. A lot of people might have liked theway Izzy was standing there onstage and it was kind of cool, but the truth ofthe matter was that Izzy wasn't handling any of the weight [Shadow Boxing withAxl Rose, June 1992]
                  Axl:Slash、Izzy和我之间总有一种三角关系。而当Izzy不再是这个三角中的一份子时,我们的经理Doug Goldstein某种意义上取代了他的位置。在GNR的发展和搞明白我们目前在做什么的过程里,Izzy真的不再有参与了。他会写歌,但是这些歌之所以会在专辑里完全是因为我想把它们收进去,也因为乐队其他人同意学这些歌,他们也喜欢这些歌,我们都好好录制了这些歌。我相信Izzy。十五年来我一直都是Izzy的歌迷,我想要他的歌出现在专辑里。但完成这个任务就像拔牙一样艰难(他是有多讨厌拔牙……)。很多人也许很喜欢Izzy站在台上的样子,确实挺酷的,但事实是Izzy自己一点也没有尽力。[Shadow Boxing with Axl Rose, June 1992]


                  58楼2017-06-23 13:25
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                    没了!发完了!
                    其实还有个类似的合集是评价Axl的,但是实在是太长了我到现在还没翻完……
                    等我翻完再说吧【那就永远不会发了


                    59楼2017-06-23 13:26
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                      撒花


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                        IP属地:辽宁61楼2017-06-23 17:44
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                          可以的


                          IP属地:福建来自Android客户端62楼2017-06-23 21:09
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                            完结撒花坐等axl篇


                            IP属地:湖北来自Android客户端63楼2017-06-23 21:56
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                              我想看axl的合集


                              IP属地:福建来自Android客户端64楼2017-06-28 07:31
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