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那些彩图看起来是白毛子自己画的


IP属地:广东1楼2016-06-20 13:45回复
    英国的Design 866 Heavy Cruiser
    I've just found this drawing showing the Design 866 Heavy Cruiser, a distinct relative or predecessor of the County class Heavy Cruisers
    Dimensions: 179,83m x 19,81m x 5,18m
    Displacement: 10.000tons standard, 12.950tons full load
    Engine Power: 105.000shp 4 shafts
    Maximum Speed: 62km/h (33,5knots)
    Maximum Range: 15.700km on 26km/h (8.500nm on 14knots)
    Armour: Belt: 0mm, only bulkheads, Deck: 38mm (Machinery), 76mm (Magazines)
    Armaments:
    4x2 203mm Guns
    6x1 120mm AA Guns
    4x3 600mm Torpedo tubes
    2x Depth Charge Throwers
    Some data can be found on the drawing but it's hard to read due to quality.
    直接把别人原话搬过来好了


    IP属地:广东2楼2016-06-20 13:48
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      西班牙 Heavy Cruiser Project 131
      Part of the modernisation of the Spanish Armada and later Franco's Armada, various cruiser projects were drawn up to be constructed in Spain, but the Civil war and later WW2 halted and eventually cancelled the construction of these ships. In 1937, in the early phases of the Civil War based on the project 124 light cruiser and the Canarias class a similar sized and displaced heavy cruiser design drawn up by SECN (Sociedad Española de Construcción Naval - Spanish Society for Naval Construction). The ship would be similar in capabilities to the British York class heavy cruisers but with improved armour protection and AA.
      The data for the design as follows:
      Date of design: 1937
      Dimensions: 177,4m x 18,25m x 4,92m
      Displacement: 8.500tons standard, 10.000tons maximum
      Engine Power: 80.000shp, 4 shafts
      Range: 13.900km on 26km/h (7.500nm on 14knots)
      Maximum Speed: 59km/h (32knots)
      Armour: Belt: 90mm, Deck: 90mm
      Armaments:
      3x2 203mm Guns
      6x2 120mm DP-AA Guns
      2x2 or 4x1 75mm AA Guns
      8x2 25mm Machine Guns
      2x4 533mm Torpedo Tubes
      Depth Charges: 8
      2x seaplanes of unknown type
      Crew: 702
      In our previous incarnation of the forum one of our Spanish members provided a drawing of the ship:


      IP属地:广东5楼2016-06-20 13:50
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        澳大利亚Cockatoo Heavy Cruiser Design
        Similar to Canada and the RCN, Australia and the RAN had it's own warship projects. Here I post the larger ships, the cruisers.
        To my knowledge, the Royal Australian Navy had two cruiser projects, one is indigenous while the other is an RN DNC (Director of Naval Construction).
        First the indigenous project proposed by the Cockatoo Naval Yard (Cockatoo Island, Sydney Harbour) in 1924. Two ships to be built to replace the decommissioned and scuttled battlecruiser HMAS Australia as part of the "Empire protection plan". This plan including, to protect trade routes near Australia, and to provide their contribution to defence of the Commonwealth Empire as a whole. The design itself would resemble a significantly modified Hawkins class cruiser, with a similar hull shape and armour layout. Difference include the use of either 3 triple or 4 twin turrets, 2 more boilers in a different layout and a slightly modified superstructure and bridge. While Australia have the accurate data about the Hawkins class but at this time the Counties were still under development and thus information on them was scarce.
        Armaments:
        3 triple turrets housing 8inch (203mm) guns or alternatively:
        4 twin turrets housing the same guns
        12x1 5inch (127mm) guns in casemates 6 per beam in a casemate deck from abreast the bridge to just forward of C turret, in a 4-cornered arrangement s 4-4 can fire forward and aft with a single on each beam abreast the forward stack, and a single on each beam abreast the mainmast. As the British did not developed 5inch calibre weapons at this time the only possible option was the US made Mark 7.
        4x 4inch AA guns on a raised platform with the mainmast in the middle of it.
        4x 21inch Torpedo Tubes all submerged under the bridge, 2 port 2 starboard.
        Triple turrets are considered bacuse at this time the Admirality considered such turrets for the Counties but later not pursued the idea.
        Specifications:
        Displacement: 10,000tons (probably light or empty)
        Dimensions: 192m x 20.87m x 5.25m
        Propulsion: 90,000shp 2 shafts
        Speed: 61km/h (33knots)
        Other Information:
        The CA design was done quickly, as a sketch design by Cockatoo and Walsh Island designers to start work on cost estimates for the construction of such ships in Australia. At this point in time the Counties were still in early design stage, and therefore the designers had little or no data on them. Apparently they did have full drawings for the Hawkins class - the nearest thing to a modern 10,000 ton CA that they had available. So they used an expanded version of the design, with data from Vickers on the planned triple 8" turret.
        Also at that time there was a modernisation proposal of the Hawkins class to be equipped with 3 twin 8inch gun turrets.
        Another variant states from 1925 is that the same hull of the HMS Kent, Displacement of Light load draft under Washington Standard: 10000 tons. Engine power was 80,000shp, no data for speed but changed armament of 4x2 8inch, 4x1 4inch AA guns, 2 Pom Poms, 4x1 3 pounder saluting guns and two quadruple above water torpedo launchers.
        In the end, it was the expense of building these ships in Australia to a unique design that cancelled them in favour of buying two Kent class 8" cruisers "off-the-shelf" from UK shipyards in 1925.




        IP属地:广东7楼2016-06-20 13:57
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          英国人好像是41年才弄出来8"/50 Mark IX and X三联装炮塔啊 上面这两家的三联装8寸炮塔怎么来的


          IP属地:广东8楼2016-06-20 14:01
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            瑞典
            Before WW2 and in the later years the Royal Swedish Navy intended to expand and modernize their fleet both with coastal defence warships and cruisers. As WW2 progressed the navy went to a more mobile and faster route featuring cruisers but in the end only 1 cruiser design with 2 ships in it built: the Tre Kronor class light cruisers of 1943-44 (Finished postwar in 1947) though these ships designed by Italy in 1940-41 by CRDA (Cantieri Riuniti dell'Adriatico)
            But there were two other cruiser designs, one from 136/37, while the other from 1944:
            Heavy Cruiser design
            Date of design: 1936/37
            Dimensions: 160m x 19m x 5,7m
            Displacement: 8.000tons standard
            Engine Power: 50.000shp, 2 shafts
            Maximum Speed: 54km/h (29knots)
            Armour: Unknown
            Armaments:
            3x2 210mm Guns
            4x2 120m DP-AA Guns
            4x2 40m AA Guns
            2x3 533mm Torpedo Tubes
            1 seaplane
            Note: Based on this design a heavy cruiser for Chile with 9000tons, 3x2 200mm guns 4x 40mm AA and 2x3 533mm torpedoes with 127mm belt armour was proposed too.


            IP属地:广东9楼2016-06-20 14:02
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              日本的利根改
              There was a warship design which was proposed in 1939 for the Maru 4, Naval Armaments Supplement Program. This cruiser was to be based on Tone with same armament and arrangement (4 twin 20cm gun turrets all forward) but slightly larger displacement of 13.000tons standard. 2 ships to be built but the design never progressed beyond the proposal.
              I've been intrigued by this design and decided to make a drawing of it which I now present here as well.
              Because of so little information available, I had rather free hand to design this never were warship. The changes compared to the original Tone class heavy cruisers as follows:
              - Slightly different main armament arrangement: 3 facing forward, 1 aft resulting one shell handling room to be closer to the hull's centre. This should slightly help the ship's stability and weight distribution.
              - 10cm Type 98 DP-AA Guns which are designed at the time these warships proposed and are vastly superior to the 12,7cm Type 89 DP-AA Guns.
              - 4 quadruple torpedo launchers instead of the original triple, providing the same torpedo firepower as the later Ibuki class heavy cruisers.
              - More numerous and differently arranged triple 25mm Type 96 AA guns to provide heavier AA support
              - Slightly different superstructure and platforms with 4 instead of 3 large reflectors.
              - Seaplane hanger very similar to that used on the Oyodo class light cruiser and which able to carry 3 seaplanes of various types (Mitsubishi F1M Pete, Aichi E13A Jake or Kawanishi E15K Shiun/Norm)
              - 3 catapults to launch the seaplanes, 2 of the regular 19,4m long type and 1 45m long type for the E15K Shiun.
              - Total seaplane capacity: 3 on the catapults, 3 in the hanger and possible 1 more on the deck totalling to 6-7 seaplanes. Alternatively without the large 45m catapult the seaplane capacity could rise to: 2 on the catapults, 3 in the hanger and 3-4 on the deck totalling 7-9 aircrafts
              - Possible slightly stronger engines of approximately 160.000shp
              - Possible thicker armour of 127mm Machinery and 150-160mm Magazine belt with 75mm deck
              Now the drawings:
              As built or soon after commissioned:

              A very likely 1943/44 refit for the Tone-Kai design similar to what happened to the IJN Oyodo:
              Removal of the 45m large catapult, using it's space to carry E13A Jake Floatplanes, more 25mm triple and twin AA guns and the green-light green camouflage pattern used on many IJN warships.


              IP属地:广东10楼2016-06-20 14:05
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                正经水贴没人回 是时候来点刺激的了










                IP属地:广东11楼2016-06-20 14:20
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                  我质疑楼主是SB!
                  质疑不需要证据!


                  12楼2016-06-20 14:24
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                    我怀疑楼主是SB
                    因为楼上喷lz一定有他的道理,不能完全否定


                    IP属地:日本来自Android客户端13楼2016-06-20 14:38
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                      老婆麽麽噠


                      IP属地:天津来自Android客户端14楼2016-06-20 16:36
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                        IP属地:辽宁来自Android客户端15楼2016-06-20 16:41
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                          看看


                          来自Android客户端17楼2016-06-20 18:21
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                            大兄弟,歪了


                            IP属地:湖南来自Android客户端18楼2016-06-21 13:08
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