Lichtenstein Cave 与日耳曼化
Members of haplogroup I2b2 often are nicknamed ‘Lichtensteiners’ because thirteen, 3000 year old, I2b2-skelettons were found in the Lichtenstein cave in Osterode am Harz.
STR analysis of the Y-DNA showed that out of the 19 men (according the Whit Athey Haplogroup Predictor https://home.comcast.net/~hapest5/hapest5b/hapest5.htm?order=num) 13 belonged to haplogroup I2b2. These 13 members of haplogroup I2b2 could be assigned to 4 haplotypes: Y1, Y2, Y4 en Y6.
HT\DYS
391
398i
439
389ii
438
437
19
392
393
390
385a
385b
∑
HG
Y1
11
12
11
28
10
15
16
11
13
25
13
17
6
I2b (100%)
Y2
11
12
11
27
10
15
15
11
13
25
13
17
3
I2b (100%)
Y4
11*
12
11*
10
17*
1
I2b (91.4%)
Y6
11
12
11
28
10
15
16
11
13
24
13
17
3
I2b (100%)
Y3
11
13
12
29
12
15
14
13
13
23
11
14
1
R1b (100%)
Y5
11
13
11
30
11
14
15
11
13
25
11
13
2
R1a (100%)
*: Uncertain
The Lichtenstein-men not belonging to haplogroup I, mainly belong to haplogroup R1b S21+ (aka R1b1c9), which is common in Northwest Germany and Frisia.
Network analysis shows that Y6 and Y1 are members of haplogroup I2b2-B and are closely related, Y2 probably belongs to haplogroup I2b2-C (probably a variant of I2b2-B). Because of the lack of sufficient STR values the haplogroup of Y4 is not clear.
我认为Lichtensteiners可能是日耳曼人的祖先。因为日耳曼人的单倍群包括日耳曼化的单倍群I,R1b,R1a.
Lichtensteiners是单倍群原始I2b2,原始R1b,原始R1a的初步日耳曼化。
Lichtensteiners还没有完成日耳曼化。
原始I2b2是没有日耳曼化的I2b2。
原始R1b是没有日耳曼化的R1b。
原始R1a是没有日耳曼化的R1a。
Network analysis shows that Y6 and Y1 are members of haplogroup I2b2-B and are closely related, Y2 probably belongs to haplogroup I2b2-C (probably a variant of I2b2-B).
Y2之所以是I2b2-B（原始I2b2）的变种, 是因为I2b2-B的DYS19=16受到原始R1a的DYS19=15的影响, 趋同进化产生了Y2的DYS19=15 . Y2是I2b2-B（原始I2b2）的初步日耳曼化。
下面是我总结的最高的Y-STR Allele Frequencies for haplogroups
DYS19
E3a: 15.
E3b: 13. G: 15. I: 14.
J2: 15. R1a: 15. R1b: 14.
很显然, 原始R1a的DYS19=15 .
我认为Y2是一部分单倍群I1的祖先, 因为Y2已经有了原始R1a的成分, 越来越接近单倍群I1. 单倍群I1还有其他一些单倍群的成分。另一部分单倍群I1的祖先可能是卢森堡的Loschbour man.
Y2已经有了原始R1a的成分。也就是说, Y2已经有了成分单倍群原始R1a .
我认为Lichtensteiners可能是一些中国人的祖先。
一些中国人可能是Lichtensteiners的后代。因为一些中国人的DYS的数值表包含一些成分单倍群I2b2 .
下面是某个中国人的DYS的数值表。
Dys 数值 成分单倍群
DYS19 16 I2b2
DYS389I 12 I2b2
DYS389b 28 I2b2
DYS390 24 I2b2/R1b
DYS391 10 G/I1
DYS392 14 N/Q
DYS393 12 D1/J2
DYS437 13
DYS438 10 I2b2
DYS439 11 I2b2
DYS448 20 I/R1a/E3b
DYS456 14 I1
DYS458 18 C3
DYS635 23 I1
H4 11 I1
DYS385a 14 G/I1
DYS385b 18 E3b
I2b2. I2b2. I2b2. I2b2/R1b. G/I1. N/Q.
D1/J2. I2b2. I2b2. I/R1a/E3b.
I1. C3. I1. I1. G/I1. E3b.
Members of haplogroup I2b2 often are nicknamed ‘Lichtensteiners’ because thirteen, 3000 year old, I2b2-skelettons were found in the Lichtenstein cave in Osterode am Harz.
STR analysis of the Y-DNA showed that out of the 19 men (according the Whit Athey Haplogroup Predictor https://home.comcast.net/~hapest5/hapest5b/hapest5.htm?order=num) 13 belonged to haplogroup I2b2. These 13 members of haplogroup I2b2 could be assigned to 4 haplotypes: Y1, Y2, Y4 en Y6.
HT\DYS
391
398i
439
389ii
438
437
19
392
393
390
385a
385b
∑
HG
Y1
11
12
11
28
10
15
16
11
13
25
13
17
6
I2b (100%)
Y2
11
12
11
27
10
15
15
11
13
25
13
17
3
I2b (100%)
Y4
11*
12
11*
10
17*
1
I2b (91.4%)
Y6
11
12
11
28
10
15
16
11
13
24
13
17
3
I2b (100%)
Y3
11
13
12
29
12
15
14
13
13
23
11
14
1
R1b (100%)
Y5
11
13
11
30
11
14
15
11
13
25
11
13
2
R1a (100%)
*: Uncertain
The Lichtenstein-men not belonging to haplogroup I, mainly belong to haplogroup R1b S21+ (aka R1b1c9), which is common in Northwest Germany and Frisia.
Network analysis shows that Y6 and Y1 are members of haplogroup I2b2-B and are closely related, Y2 probably belongs to haplogroup I2b2-C (probably a variant of I2b2-B). Because of the lack of sufficient STR values the haplogroup of Y4 is not clear.
我认为Lichtensteiners可能是日耳曼人的祖先。因为日耳曼人的单倍群包括日耳曼化的单倍群I,R1b,R1a.
Lichtensteiners是单倍群原始I2b2,原始R1b,原始R1a的初步日耳曼化。
Lichtensteiners还没有完成日耳曼化。
原始I2b2是没有日耳曼化的I2b2。
原始R1b是没有日耳曼化的R1b。
原始R1a是没有日耳曼化的R1a。
Network analysis shows that Y6 and Y1 are members of haplogroup I2b2-B and are closely related, Y2 probably belongs to haplogroup I2b2-C (probably a variant of I2b2-B).
Y2之所以是I2b2-B（原始I2b2）的变种, 是因为I2b2-B的DYS19=16受到原始R1a的DYS19=15的影响, 趋同进化产生了Y2的DYS19=15 . Y2是I2b2-B（原始I2b2）的初步日耳曼化。
下面是我总结的最高的Y-STR Allele Frequencies for haplogroups
DYS19
E3a: 15.
E3b: 13. G: 15. I: 14.
J2: 15. R1a: 15. R1b: 14.
很显然, 原始R1a的DYS19=15 .
我认为Y2是一部分单倍群I1的祖先, 因为Y2已经有了原始R1a的成分, 越来越接近单倍群I1. 单倍群I1还有其他一些单倍群的成分。另一部分单倍群I1的祖先可能是卢森堡的Loschbour man.
Y2已经有了原始R1a的成分。也就是说, Y2已经有了成分单倍群原始R1a .
我认为Lichtensteiners可能是一些中国人的祖先。
一些中国人可能是Lichtensteiners的后代。因为一些中国人的DYS的数值表包含一些成分单倍群I2b2 .
下面是某个中国人的DYS的数值表。
Dys 数值 成分单倍群
DYS19 16 I2b2
DYS389I 12 I2b2
DYS389b 28 I2b2
DYS390 24 I2b2/R1b
DYS391 10 G/I1
DYS392 14 N/Q
DYS393 12 D1/J2
DYS437 13
DYS438 10 I2b2
DYS439 11 I2b2
DYS448 20 I/R1a/E3b
DYS456 14 I1
DYS458 18 C3
DYS635 23 I1
H4 11 I1
DYS385a 14 G/I1
DYS385b 18 E3b
I2b2. I2b2. I2b2. I2b2/R1b. G/I1. N/Q.
D1/J2. I2b2. I2b2. I/R1a/E3b.
I1. C3. I1. I1. G/I1. E3b.
