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IP属地:上海来自Android客户端1楼2015-10-10 10:07回复
    9,555 killed2
    144,000 sick and wounded
    埃军整个五年的伤亡
    Approx. 275,000 combatants killed, 500,000 wounded Approx.
    文献参考:
    Alberto Sbacchi, "The Price of Empire: Towards an Enumeration of Italian Casualties in Ethiopia 1935–1940", in ed. Harold G. Marcus, Ethiopianist Notes, vol. II, No. 2, p.37.
    Sbacchi, "The Price of Empire", p.36.
    Sbacchi, "The Price of Empire", p.43.
    Sbacchi, "The Price of Empire", p.38.
    Angelo Del Boca, The Ethiopian War 1935–1941 (1965), cites a 1945 memorandum from Ethiopia to the Conference of Prime Ministers, which tallies 760,300 natives dead; of them, battle deaths: 275,000, hunger among refugees: 300,000, patriots killed during occupation: 75,000, concentration camps: 35,000, Feb. 1937 massacre: 30,000, executions: 24,000, civilians killed by air force: 17,800.


    IP属地:上海来自Android客户端3楼2015-10-10 10:12
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      2025-06-13 07:42:30
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      到这里可能又有一个毒气说,意大利释放毒气赢得战争。这里 来看看意军放毒气究竟对战局起了多大作用,可以用美帝观察员的话Norman Fiske引证:几乎没有作用。
      However, some historians (for example, Anthony Mockler) consider the effect of this gas weapon in battle negligible, like in the report written by the US Major Norman Fiske. Major Fiske thought the Italians were clearly superior and that victory for them was assured no matter what. The use of chemical agents in the war was nothing more than an experiment. He concluded: "From my own observations and from talking with [Italian] junior officers and soldiers I have concluded that gas was not used extensively in the African campaign and that its use had little if any effect on the outcome."
      这段话的出处:Clark DK. Effectiveness of Toxic Chemicals in the Italo–Ethiopian War. Bethesda, Md: Operations Research Office; 1959. p20
      Still another observer stated:I think [where mustard] had [the] most effect wason animals; the majority of the Ethiopian armiesconsisted of a number of individual soldiers, eachwith his donkey


      IP属地:上海来自Android客户端4楼2015-10-10 10:14
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        Still another observer stated:I think [where mustard] had [the] most effect wason animals; the majority of the Ethiopian armiesconsisted of a number of individual soldiers, eachwith his donkey or mule on which he carried ra-tions. These donkeys and mules ate the grass andit killed them, and it was that which really brokedown morale more than anything.
        另外一位观察员的结论:毒气杀得更多的是他们的骡马。
        出处:Use of gas in Italo–Abyssinian campaign.Chemical Warfare Bulletin. 1937;23(2):p81


        IP属地:上海来自Android客户端5楼2015-10-10 10:15
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          偷袭投降前的法国还被打回来的事迹也是家喻户晓…
          事实上,意军还是有点进展的,只不过墨索里尼命令下得太突然,准备不足,战果不大而已
          看看第1山地师“陶伦菲斯”的战斗记录:
          From 10 June to 24 June 1940 the division advanced with other Italian units into Southern France and occupied Bourg-Saint-Maurice, where it was garrisoned after the end of hostilities.
          可见意军进攻法国仅仅是进展不大,而非被完虐


          IP属地:上海来自Android客户端6楼2015-10-10 10:17
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            另外,这里还有一段蒋介石评论埃赛战争的资料


            IP属地:上海来自Android客户端7楼2015-10-10 10:18
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              还有当时埃军是土著军一说,嘛 军官,荣誉卫队(Kebur zabagna),埃塞俄比亚皇家卫队
              Kebur zabagna的意思是“伟大的”或“大型的”卫队之意,这一称谓也指皇家卫队中的军官团。1935年时,卫队大约有2万5千人,其中包括一些曾在利比亚的意大利军或在肯尼亚的英王属非洲步兵中服役过的士兵。这支部队是埃塞俄比亚军的骄傲,他们装备新式毛瑟步枪和德国腰带,穿着欧洲式的土黄色制服。步枪手的领章是红色的,机关枪手的则是深绿色,黑色则是Schneider山地炮炮兵使用的。
              A2:军官,中央军(Mahel Safari),埃塞俄比亚正规军
              中央军军官的穿着往往是欧洲式的。这些军官不仅包括了那些在法国圣西尔军校学习过的人员,也包括了埃塞俄比亚的一些部落酋长(甚至有时也穿欧洲式的制服)和战争最后几周在奥莱塔(Oletta)新的埃塞俄比亚军校毕业的学生。从软木太阳帽到靴子,甚至是穿着的细节,他们无不依照欧洲殖民地军的风格行事。
              A3:普通士兵(Selfegna),埃塞俄比亚正规军中央军
              在海尔·塞拉西皇帝指挥下的中央军主要由以欧洲标准装备起来的被称为Selfegna的普通士兵所组成。他们的制服是本土制造的,有几次海尔·塞拉西皇帝亲自责成中央军(Mahel Safari)的后勤军官把注意力集中到如何将士兵们的传统白色服装染成至少是接近土黄色这样的问题上。士兵们装备一切可以利用的步枪,它们包括了毛瑟、Mannlichers、Lebels、Lee-Metfords、莫辛式和意大利的Mannlichers Carcanos式,当然还有很多古老的Vetterlis式、Ie Gras和马提尼-亨利式步枪。


              IP属地:上海来自Android客户端8楼2015-10-10 10:20
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                顺便@星皇星使 你要的干货


                IP属地:上海来自Android客户端9楼2015-10-10 10:21
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                  2025-06-13 07:36:30
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                  暂时更到这里,后续会有继续更近


                  IP属地:上海来自Android客户端10楼2015-10-10 10:22
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                    发的什么?表示看不下去啊


                    来自iPhone客户端11楼2015-10-10 10:25
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                      一看就是要沉的


                      来自iPhone客户端12楼2015-10-10 10:26
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                        美军登陆意大利,与意大利对峙的时候,美军感觉到意大利人毫无战争意志,因此刻意减弱了攻击力度。一次德军侦察机飞过战场侦查,意大利军指挥官心想面子太挂不住而下令装作正在作战的样子攻击,美军也毫无干劲地反击。这场战斗被德军侦察机发现,感慨地说:“厉害!意大利人制止了美军的攻势!”(神啊)
                        之后德国的增援部队到达,开始了一场真正的激战。
                        其实这是拿西西里岛战役里窝那步兵师是奋战戏说了,其实里窝那师的在吉拉滩头的抵抗还是比较顽强的,只是由于美军驱逐舰的炮火压制导致反击失败


                        IP属地:上海来自Android客户端13楼2015-10-10 12:15
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                          具体记录文献:On 10 July Livorno infantry supported by the 155th Bersaglieri Motorcycle Company and a column of tanks poured onto Highways 115 and 117 and nearly retook the city of Gela, but guns from the destroyer Shubrick and the cruiser Boise destroyed several Fiat 3000 tanks (a variant of the French Renault tank). The Amphibious Battle of Gela was reported by an American newspaper: "Supported by no less than forty-five tanks, a considerable force of infantry of the Livorno Division attacked the American troops around Gela. The American division beat them back with severe casualties. This was the heaviest response to the Allied advance." [2] The Livorno regrouped made a further attempt to retake Gela two days later and the 3rd Battalion, 34 Livorno Regiment, is recorded by its Commanding Officer as having made a valiant effort in the Gela Beachhead.


                          IP属地:上海来自Android客户端14楼2015-10-10 12:16
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                            我倒很期待你用干货证伪一下维基上意大利的糟糕战绩






                            16楼2015-10-10 13:11
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