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很新很新的新人,仅仅读过宝钻而且记忆不深,HOME就没有读过,所以问题可能有点白,请谅解。。


1楼2014-03-16 10:29回复
    问题1:Elrond是二梅带大的,那么最后大梅跳火山二梅去唱歌之后Elrond去了哪儿,是从此追随小星星的脚步了么?


    2楼2014-03-16 10:34
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      2025-06-02 02:24:04
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      问题2:关于Elrond的战斗力。。。他作为小星星的传令官,话说”传令官“这是一个什么职位?是电影里那样负责喊”预备——射!“那样,而且自己拿着剑砍得一身血污的角色吗?Elrond在魔戒里面出现的时候是非常博学的学者和医者,伊姆拉崔感觉也是一个文化的据点好像希腊的雅典一样,那么Elrond真的非常全能,战斗力也很好,治疗的能力超强,然后还懂得各种各样的文字熟知各种各样的历史
      曾看到有人说托老在书中说,杀生会影响精灵的医疗的能力,确实是这样吗?那么Elrond曾上过最后联盟的战场啊,杀生是不会少的,但是他依然是第三季中土最有名望的医者呢。。


      3楼2014-03-16 10:41
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        目前就这俩问题。其实自己困惑了很久了。。希望这里的原著党们帮忙解答一下~


        4楼2014-03-16 10:44
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          看到卡兰都讲这么细还能说出出处我羞愧地遁了


          来自iPhone客户端5楼2014-03-16 21:25
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            其实个人觉得托老那个杀生损伤治愈力可能是设定里那么一写实际讲故事的时候就忘了……不然A叔治愈力怎么还这么强呢……


            来自iPhone客户端6楼2014-03-16 21:28
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              顺说……脑补了一下小星星大王吹号角召唤来了举着小旗子的Elrond……


              来自iPhone客户端7楼2014-03-16 21:30
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                楼上四哥和二哥都讲的很详细了的说,我就单纯来迎一下新~欢迎新人!


                来自手机贴吧8楼2014-03-16 22:39
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                  2025-06-02 02:18:04
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                  关于战斗力和healer的问题,以前ASK ABOUT MIDDLE EARTH的解释还不错,我个人认为还算挺靠谱的。翻出来你可以看看。
                  “This is a really excellent point, and one I hadn’t really thought about before! For those who don’t know, Tolkien said that, in elvish society, healers were very rarely warriors, because they believed that taking lives diminished a person’s healing power. (More details in this post.)
                  So you’re right, according to Tolkien’s own rule, Elrond shouldn’t have been able to be an experiences warrior and a famous healer. (And you’re also completely right about the fact that we don’t know of any famous female healers, but I’m afraid I don’t have any explanation for that one besides the obvious.) The only explanation I can think of is that Elrond would have been an even greater healer had he not fought in so many battles (weak, I know, but Tolkien doesn’t address Elrond’s part in this issue.)
                  …I don’t know, Anon. I agree it’s a pretty blatant contradiction, but I really can’t find or think of any reason other than just Tolkien wanted Elrond to be both a warrior and a great healer, and so that’s what he is. Sorry I couldn’t find a better explanation.
                  ((EDIT: Some ideas/theories to explain this contradiction:
                  Elrond was the bearer of one of the elvish rings of power, Vilya. The elvish rings general had the power to preserve - maybe Elrond was able to use his ring to “preserve” the health of his patient? If so, then the ring’s power could have elevated Elrond’s healing ability beyond what he should have had, as a warrior.
                  Elrond was one of the peredhil, and only half-elven. This might have affected his ability to heal while also being a warrior. This would depend on your views on the elvish “rule” about healing/killing, though: Is this rule “scientifically” true? Does having killed someone actually affect an elf’s healing ability? If so, then does this apply only to the elves? Or does it apply to all people, though only the elves are aware of it? Or is the entire rule merely a strongly held cultural belief?
                  Similarly, Elrond is also a descendant of Melian, who was of the Maiar. It’s possible that this heritage gives Elrond either added power, or at least a different kind of power, that could allow him to both take life and save it.
                  It’s likely that Tolkien developed these (and other more philosophical/theological) ideas about elvish society after he’d already cemented Elrond’s backstory. Keep in mind that much of it is published in the Lord of the Rings, which Tolkien wrote before he did a lot of work of elvish history and culture. In this case, Elrond may be an exception to the rule merely because the author needs him to be so.))
                  SOURCES: The Silmarillion, LOTR, History of Middle Earth vol. 10 (“Laws and Customs Among the Eldar”)”
                  他后来又补了几条可能的原因。
                  "Elrond’s status as a peredhel may have something to do with it. It depends, I guess, on how you view the healing/killing “rule.” Is it true - if elves kill, are they really less capable healers? And, if so, is this something that is restricted to elves? Perhaps it’s true of all people, but only the elves see the connection? Or, maybe this this is not a “scientific” fact, but merely a strongly-held cultural belief. Depending on how you answer these questions, Elrond’s status as only half-elven may have more or less impact on his dual roles as healer and warrior.
                  I think it’s likely that Tolkien’s ideas about elvish society developed after he’d cemented Elrond’s story. Generally speaking, Tolkien work on Middle Earth became increasingly philosophical/theological in his later years. In this case, Elrond may be an exception to the rule simply because the author wanted it so.
                  Vilya! I can’t believe I forgot to mention Elrond’s ring in the original post! It’s very possible that, being a bearer of a ring of power, Elrond’s healing abilities were increased beyond what he should have been capable of, as a warrior. The elvish rings of power have, in general terms, the power to preserve. Which is why we see Rivendell and Lorien remain beautiful and lively, even during winter. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to imagine that the ring would have similar effects on bodies - perhaps Elrond could use the ring’s power to “preserve” someone’s health?
                  Again, these are all fantastic theories - I’ve added them all to the original post. Thank you so much for sending in your thoughts!"


                  9楼2014-03-18 01:42
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                    话说我个人倒是认为warrior和healer的问题挺好理解的。Elrond主要是在第二纪打仗的嘛,第二纪里并没有关于他是个great healer的评价,连Sauron对他的评价也是“wise in all lore is Master Elrond”,并没有单独提到他在healing方面的能力。到了第三纪貌似没有迹象Elrond还参战了,当然不排除 The second siege of Imladris的时候他还是参战的。但是总体来说第三纪Elrond应该不再是warrior的身份了。正好他作为Healer的名声也是到第三纪传出来的。


                    11楼2014-03-18 20:34
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                      已知想知道领主夫人是在索林橡木盾他们到瑞文戴尔之前西渡还是之后西渡的?


                      IP属地:内蒙古来自Android客户端12楼2014-03-18 20:59
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