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1楼2011-05-16 16:22回复
    (Note FN = "Fathername", MN = “Mothername”, AN = 'aftername');  
    certain variant spellings of names and some of the very old ones such as Lost Tales variants   (eg Tinwelint for Elwe or Turondo for Turgon) left out.


    2楼2011-05-16 16:23
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      The House of Ingwe
      The names of Ingwe's parents are unknown.
      Ingwe had a sister. In HoME 10 she is Indis who later wed Finwe. In HoME 12 she is not named but Indis is her daughter (and thus Ingwe's niece).
      The name of Ingwe's wife is unknown.
      Ingwe is attested to as having an unspecified number of children (HoME 10) of which only one is named.
      This was a son whose name went through various incarnations.
      The last was Ingwion as noted in HoME 11. This was changed from Ingwiel (see also HoME 5). Earlier he was nmed Ingil and Ingwil (see HoME 4). What could be interesting is keeping the abandoned names as other children of Ingwe.
      


      3楼2011-05-16 16:23
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        The House of Finwe:
        The names of Finwe's parents are not known.
        Finwe Noleme Noldoran had two wives.
        The first was Miriel Serinde (her parents are not named).
        She bore Finwe one son: Kurufinwe Feanaro (Feanor).
        Feanor had to wife Nerdanel.
        Nerdanel's father is commonly named Mahtan but also named Sarmo and Urundil (HoME 12). Her mother is not named.
        Feanor and Nerdanel had seven children.
        


        4楼2011-05-16 16:23
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          Irime (FN) (Irien, Finvain (FN)) Lalwende (Lalwen) (MN) (HoME 10 and 12) was Finwe's second daughter (HoME 12). She went into exile with Fingolfin. Her ultimate fate is not recorded. (Note that orginally she was the third daughter (HoME 10) but JRRT reversed this).
          


          8楼2011-05-16 16:24
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            The House of Elwe
            The parents of Elwe and his brothers Olwe and Elmo are not named.
            Elwe Singollo (Elu, Thingol (AN) had to wife Melian the Maia. They had one daughter, Luthien Tinuviel (in an early version Daeron was their son).
            Luthien was wed to Beren Erchamion. They had one child.
            Dior Aranel Eluchil. He wed Nimloth (Elulin, Lindis (HoME 11) daughter of Galathil, grandson of Elmo. They had three children.
            Elured and Elurin were their sons who were lost (slain/died) after the ruin of Doriath and death of Dior.
            Elwing the White was there daughter, she wedded Earendi and bore him two sons Elrond (who wedded Celebrian) and Elros.
            


            10楼2011-05-16 16:27
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              Olwe Ciriaran (HoME 12) had an unnamed wife and an unspecified number of children (HoME 10), only one of which is named.
              Earwen was the daughter of Olwe. She wedded Finarfin and bore him 4 or 5 children.


              11楼2011-05-16 16:27
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                Celeborn(TeleP@rn@) (UT, HoME 12) is the grandson of Olwe. His parents are not named. (In a late version) he wedded Galadriel (though of course this was aginst the laws of the Eldar, they were first cousins and the Eldar did not wed with kin that close (Sil.)) and not in keeping with LotR or RGEO.
                Elmo (UT), brother of Elwe and Olwe, has an unnamed wife. She bore him at least one son.
                Galadhon, son of Elmo, has an unnamed wife. She bore him two sons (UT).
                Celeborn who wedded Galadriel they had a daughter, Celebrian, who wedded Elrond son of Earendil and Elwing.
                Galathil (UT) who had an unnamed wife who bore him a daughter.
                Nimloth (Lindis, Elulin (HoME 11) who wedded Dior son of Luthien and Beren. She bore him three children (Elured, Elurin, and Elwing).
                


                12楼2011-05-16 16:28
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                  A couple of other notes:
                  Cirdan and Eol are both noted to be kin to Elwe (Sil. and HoME). What this kinship is is not stated.
                  Celeborn refers to Legolas as kin (LotR). Oropher and his son Thranduil (father of Legolas) came from Doriath and if kin to Celeborn they should be kin to Elwe. It is possible that they were descended from Elmo.
                  Amroth has various descents. The most final versions make him the son of Amdir/Malgalad (UT). In one version he is the son of Celeborn and Galadriel (UT). In one version he is the brother of Celeborn (HoME 12) (though it is not stated if he is the son Galadhon or if Celeborn is the son of Amdir).
                  


                  13楼2011-05-16 16:29
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                    12楼第二个单词用o代替@
                    你们懂的


                    14楼2011-05-16 16:29
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                      Caranthir那里……G-G那里,Silmarillion当年小托确实是仓促了啊


                      15楼2011-05-16 16:46
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                        可以插楼了~~~8D
                        貌似兄弟们是以顺序聚集的, 1+2, 3+4,5, 6+7, 于是脑内映像Caranthir一直是5, 要不是Silm里小托写了那句==


                        16楼2011-05-16 17:47
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                          学习了~~~HoME和LT没怎么深究,只看了自己关注的一些~~~~~w


                          18楼2011-05-17 18:39
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                            Finwe家, 全Quenya族谱
                            主:此表Ereinion为Orodreth之子


                            19楼2011-06-04 04:34
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                              表二:这张德国人做的表比较全的Edain和Eldar关系


                              20楼2011-06-04 04:35
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